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being withheld from the general public

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about

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all things extraterrestrial

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if they were why would they do that do i

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absolutely know for sure because i've

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seen it no

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i do not know that

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do i think that it's the case absolutely

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and i have good reason to say that

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uh that i can't talk about but i have

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good reason to say

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my interest is obviously and i've said

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this many times

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any involvement that i want to have in

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this

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will eventually or should eventually

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lead to public disclosure

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right now whether i'm allowed to do that

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should i ever get involved or be allowed

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to be involved nobody's asked me so i'm

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that would be my goal

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there's a virtuous cycle that can occur

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by letting the public in because if

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there is anything to have been learned

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and um or at least if they're letting it

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anything that is kept in silos which

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internal uh special access programs are

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inevitably kept as silos there's no

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you know i mean i just know this in my

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lab if i if if person x doesn't talk to

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person y

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they're both just you know they each

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create the solution

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collaboration

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that keeps the needs of everybody happy

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where you know where the government is

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basically holding right now all the

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probably a few aerospace companies but

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not the aerospace companies at large

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basically small programs within them and

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if you started to understand how the

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government funds these programs you

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understand how quickly things can

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disconnected

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from the original funding

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right keep them separate

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to keep them separate yeah

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well they're never gonna know forget

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them they can talk all they want

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we need to tap into the quantum and get

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the information

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lectern and tell me that it is

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don't want to give the government

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be interested in something or to believe

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something or not i don't need

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their permission

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it a lot of people do but i don't need

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what nolan said there

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that you know there's

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if you if you call it where there's

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smoke there's fire you know there's so

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compelling information that isn't

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there by people that have uh very

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compelling backgrounds and

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reputable scientists physicist engineers

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whether those were authorized to what

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extent they were authorized by their

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government customer who knows but

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that there's something

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that that the government is really

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which is part and parcel with

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any of that kind of work inside that

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the seriousness with which they

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tend to defend it

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and then the records trail that is all

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decades

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of the government's own communications

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uh emails memos and things like that

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uh older stuff that was

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that had the six authors michael swords

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the appearance that oh there's nothing

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intelligence community and government

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maybe a small community of them

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that um have had more than a watchful

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eye on this for many decades

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and it's in the government's own works

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what do you think about people there are

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people out there like oh yeah there's a

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crash retrieval program but it's it's

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just black technology and it's foreign

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technology that we're trying to reverse

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our black technology out into the public

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middle right there could be some of a

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little bit of all of that going on

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that adversaries collect

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the others instruments of war

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left behind or captured or whatever else

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combat or to communication security

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flying around or operating in our

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there's just been too many

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contractors ordinary citizens firemen

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policemen doctors lawyers babysitters

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that are available to the public whether

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it's new fork or mufon or

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incidents website

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we're talking

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thousands upon thousands

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come with sometimes pictures or video

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if anyone's analyzing those at a serious

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level at a government level

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um you know i think stan stanton freeman

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he said it best didn't he said the

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evidence is overwhelming that the earth

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is being visited by

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extraterrestrials right

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cave drawings

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and all kinds of artifacts created by

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human hands going back centuries

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you know no kidding flying saucers in

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that is just super interesting

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it's a religious painting

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and it has a man

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i don't know if it's the virgin mary

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in the primary

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but down down in the down on the side is

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a man and a dog

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and up in the sky

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is a ufo is a flying is a disc

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and the man is pointing to it

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and the dog is looking up at it

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and i forget where that painting is

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is held currently

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or on display or

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you know what you're talking about

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and that's just one of of of a bunch

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you know then there's the uh you know in

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germany

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in the 1500s in nuremberg i think it was

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there was some massive air battle in the

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sky

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that according to this

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uh

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this painting is more like a mosaic

319
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sort of looks like tiles placed

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it shows these

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uh pointed arrow-shaped ships and

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shows explosions and some have crashed

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to the ground all over the city and you

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know the on the there's the city skyline

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depicted in that

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and that is just ultra

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fascinating to look at

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and here either somebody was

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drinking something really strong that

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day and decided to cook up a great story

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that is the picture you're talking about

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with the dog

333
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yeah but so that it's it's actually to

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me more interesting in the the the uh

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the picture you can just see the

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shoulder is it not of the person

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isn't that the one with the virgin mary

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or i forget but

339
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it's not just a picture of a man looking

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at the ufo it's that one right there

341
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yeah there's a whole bunch of that there

342
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used to be a website i don't think it's

343
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around anymore um but yeah

344
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um people are saying it's a comet it

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doesn't look like a comet but and we

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can't prove what they were trying to say

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in that painting but they're really

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interesting it makes you think what

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they'll find the one for for for

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nuremberg germany in the 50s i think

351
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it's in this collection but i can find

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it

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you know the town

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whatever this guy was called uh his role

355
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in the time you know it was

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this was a means of documenting that

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event that day if you if you read the

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history of it

359
00:14:08,710 --> 00:14:06,629
i'll find so anyway clearly something's

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going on and i don't unlike stan

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friedman

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i mean i know there are a lot of things

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on the live iss feed that you know when

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the feed cuts out when something

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unexplainable occurs in the background

366
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it looks to the viewer to be something

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moving across our atmosphere stopping

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and then

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changing

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um

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you know i don't know there you go

372
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that's nuremberg germany

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15 what

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so yeah

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interesting artwork doesn't prove

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anything but

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makes you think what they were doing

378
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well the description that came from the

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person that

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curated this

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that's also available somewhere but

382
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anyway it

383
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it tells um leave it alone for now

384
00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:07,040
but so anyway

385
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there's people who don't know there's a

386
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lot of evidence that

387
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go ahead

388
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i won't say evidence there are a lot of

389
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accounts

390
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um

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from

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people who

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worked in fields in the dod in the ic

394
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who woulda coulda shoulda oughta know

395
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what they were talking about

396
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and and you think when they say these

397
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things why would they risk their

398
00:15:39,670 --> 00:15:37,600
professional reputations um

399
00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:39,680
there are a lot of things that

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00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:43,120
indicate that these things are active

401
00:15:47,910 --> 00:15:44,560
very active

402
00:15:49,430 --> 00:15:47,920
uh in the subsurface of of the world's

403
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oceans

404
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:50,959
whether that's they come here and they

405
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go underwater to keep from being seen

406
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i don't know about that um i'm not going

407
00:16:01,030 --> 00:15:58,160
to get into any kind of

408
00:16:03,110 --> 00:16:01,040
you know hocus pocus i don't i just that

409
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:03,120
would be pure speculation

410
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:05,759
because if they're willing to overfly

411
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:08,399
uh aircraft carrier battle groups

412
00:16:11,990 --> 00:16:10,639
and if they're willing to violate

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00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:12,000
protected

414
00:16:16,069 --> 00:16:13,680
airspace and international training

415
00:16:17,749 --> 00:16:16,079
grounds off our coasts that interfere

416
00:16:19,670 --> 00:16:17,759
with our safety and flight operations of

417
00:16:20,629 --> 00:16:19,680
our fighter jets if they're willing to

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00:16:23,189 --> 00:16:20,639
be

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00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:23,199
seen if they're so overt

420
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,120
then why would they be coming here from

421
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:28,079
some distant star or planet

422
00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:29,279
rather and

423
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:30,639
and then going under the ocean to hide

424
00:16:34,150 --> 00:16:32,720
from us so do they live under the ocean

425
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:34,160
right i mean who knows

426
00:16:38,550 --> 00:16:37,040
there's all there's the mind can go off

427
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:38,560
several different directions on all this

428
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:39,759
but

429
00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:41,040
there's plenty out there to read by

430
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:43,120
people that claim they know

431
00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,360
people who have never seen you on here

432
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:47,360
or watched you on unidentified just tell

433
00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:48,639
people who you are and what your

434
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:51,839
background is

435
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:53,360
so um

436
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:56,639
my name is michael vi i i work for a

437
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i would say a fortune 500 company tech

438
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,320
industry

439
00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:02,399
uh for about 21 years i was in the

440
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:05,839
intelligence community first as a

441
00:17:09,990 --> 00:17:08,240
as a navy cryptologic technician

442
00:17:11,590 --> 00:17:10,000
which basically

443
00:17:14,069 --> 00:17:11,600
uh has a

444
00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:14,079
has a slash interpreted at the end of

445
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:17,439
that i was a linguist

446
00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:20,319
i worked out of nsa and then later on i

447
00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:21,280
um

448
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:22,720
i had some interesting assignments at

449
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:23,760
some of

450
00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:26,319
some interesting places that then

451
00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:28,559
i got out of the navy and

452
00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:31,120
became a contractor in the aerospace

453
00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:33,840
government aerospace realm

454
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:36,080
and i did that until

455
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:44,870
and you had a sighting in 92 in the gulf

456
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:48,720
right yeah so that was uh

457
00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:50,480
the people you know on the history

458
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:52,559
channel lou and

459
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:55,360
all that crowd they were soliciting

460
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:57,679
folks from the community that had had an

461
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:59,760
experience that was

462
00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:01,120
along the lines of what they were trying

463
00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:02,160
to

464
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:04,080
make the public aware of as far as its

465
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:07,679
reality and in my case in 92 i was

466
00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:10,880
in the persian gulf and in

467
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:13,120
the short story really is that i was i

468
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,280
was on a a warship

469
00:18:19,350 --> 00:18:17,280
that was literally about 150 feet from

470
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:19,360
an aircraft carrier steaming along

471
00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:21,520
cruising along side by side

472
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:26,830
a

473
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:33,760
um

474
00:18:38,549 --> 00:18:36,480
bright surfaces in the center of each at

475
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:38,559
the end of each of the apex of the

476
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:40,720
corners of the triangle

477
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:42,080
you could you know look like three

478
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:44,720
really ultra bright lights sort of i

479
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:46,960
always described them as welders arc

480
00:18:50,950 --> 00:18:48,640
bright which was

481
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:50,960
interesting in and of itself because

482
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:52,240
of the

483
00:18:56,230 --> 00:18:54,080
just the atmospheric haze and humidity

484
00:18:57,990 --> 00:18:56,240
out there when it's like 110 degrees

485
00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:58,000
just ambient temperature

486
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:59,919
there's so much sand in the air even out

487
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:01,200
over the water

488
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,960
so much sea mist

489
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:05,039
and humidity that you could cut the air

490
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,480
with a knife

491
00:19:09,909 --> 00:19:08,160
and when you look out in any direction

492
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:09,919
you know across the water if you have

493
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:11,520
another warship

494
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,760
over there like a mile away

495
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:15,280
it's not crystal clear i mean you're

496
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,120
looking through haze at it

497
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:19,360
but this looking up through this haze at

498
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:20,400
this thing

499
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,840
it flew right over the top of us

500
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:25,840
probably somewhere between seven and ten

501
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:27,600
thousand feet if that

502
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,240
uh it was going in the exact same

503
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:32,400
direction we were

504
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:33,360
um

505
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,720
it came from behind us as if it had

506
00:19:40,950 --> 00:19:38,880
you know followed our the wake that we

507
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,960
were making in the in the water

508
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:43,039
and and and use that to catch up with us

509
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:44,400
and find us

510
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:45,280
um

511
00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:47,679
but anyway it flew right over us last

512
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,320
the sighting lasted about 10 seconds

513
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:53,120
and then it flew on out of sight towards

514
00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:55,039
the north

515
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,320
um

516
00:20:01,029 --> 00:19:58,720
i within just a couple of minutes went

517
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:01,039
back down below to my work center

518
00:20:07,110 --> 00:20:04,400
where we had access to radar down there

519
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:07,120
and i looked on the radar and

520
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:08,480
all the usual

521
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:11,120
things were there that i expected to see

522
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:12,480
that this

523
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,159
triangle wasn't on the radar and it

524
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:16,640
wasn't moving at like you know super

525
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:18,559
fast velocity it was

526
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:21,520
i've always said like maybe 350

527
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:23,200
400 miles an hour

528
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,080
you know

529
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,400
maybe like it like at an air show right

530
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,159
something flies over

531
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:30,159
it was just kind of cruising

532
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,960
but it it most absolutely definitely was

533
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,480
not

534
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:36,720
a b-2 bomber

535
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:39,600
it wasn't an f-117

536
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:42,159
uh nighthawk

537
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,280
it it the plan form the shape of it from

538
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:47,520
underneath it was it was a perfectly

539
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:50,080
equilateral triangle rounded corners

540
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,880
though

541
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,640
not pointed

542
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:54,799
with these ultra bright

543
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:57,919
spots in one in each corner

544
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:58,880
and

545
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,720
never knew what it was

546
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,720
nobody on the ship so if you think about

547
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,159
this ship

548
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:07,200
our job on this is an aegis cruiser

549
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,080
so it's same class vessel that that was

550
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:12,960
involved same class of vessel

551
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,039
that was involved in the tic tac

552
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:18,480
incident in 2004 has the aegis radar the

553
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:21,280
spy 1 radar

554
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:22,960
the

555
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,120
is just beyond incredible okay makes you

556
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,360
proud of your tax dollars

557
00:21:37,270 --> 00:21:35,200
um

558
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,280
the fact that this ship that i was on is

559
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,280
responsible at that moment

560
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:41,679
for the air protection

561
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:44,240
air defense of that aircraft carrier

562
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:46,080
that battle group

563
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,400
and that that ship did not go to general

564
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:51,039
quarters to battle stations

565
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,640
there was no alarm

566
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:54,400
there was no indication whatsoever that

567
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:55,919
anybody else besides me and a couple

568
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:57,039
other people

569
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,600
on top of the ship we literally were up

570
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,960
about as high as you can get without

571
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:03,039
climbing up the rigging where they have

572
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,799
the flags and things antenna and things

573
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:06,960
like that

574
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,960
nobody twitched

575
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:10,559
and there were no other flight ops going

576
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:12,240
on the carrier wasn't in flight

577
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:15,520
operations there were no helos aloft

578
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,320
it was nothing just two warships

579
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,159
cruising along connected by lines and

580
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,240
hoses doing it doing a

581
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:24,720
transfer of fuel and stuff just a

582
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:27,600
routine kind of operation

583
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,720
and um

584
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,240
the only the sort of the strange thing

585
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:32,640
about it although is at the very end

586
00:22:36,630 --> 00:22:35,440
of the overpass as it was fading out of

587
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,640
view

588
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:38,480
i didn't realize i was standing

589
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:39,760
people have heard me say this before

590
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,840
that have watched yes your show but i

591
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,679
was standing right next to

592
00:22:48,549 --> 00:22:45,520
the ship's horn

593
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,559
the foghorn on a ship

594
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:50,240
and you know how loud it can be when

595
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:53,360
you're at a railroad stop and uh

596
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:55,039
and a locomotive comes by blowing its

597
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:56,400
air horn

598
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:57,360
we'll just

599
00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:00,720
bump that up like times 100.

600
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,600
and

601
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,039
this other guy

602
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,600
we both did the same thing we yelled

603
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:07,679
and we covered our ears and crouched

604
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,559
down i mean it physically hurt the blast

605
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,480
from this horn so loud

606
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:13,919
we had no idea we were standing so close

607
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:16,880
to it there were four blasts

608
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,280
and then they announced

609
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,840
an emergency

610
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:22,960
and

611
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:25,039
what that means is when we're cruising

612
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:26,559
along right next to this carrier or

613
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,840
could have been any other kind of ship

614
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,360
and you're connected with your lines and

615
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,520
your hoses and you're transferring goods

616
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:33,600
and fuel and whatever else

617
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:37,039
an emergency breakaway is a

618
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:38,000
is a

619
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,559
undergoes when it's under threat

620
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:44,080
of attack

621
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:45,520
and all of a sudden somebody notices

622
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:47,600
something maybe there's a torpedo in the

623
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,559
water

624
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,400
or an aircraft gonna dive bomb you

625
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:52,000
whatever the case is or a missile that's

626
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,120
inbound

627
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,080
and you need to rapidly

628
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:57,760
cut the lines that are connecting you to

629
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,039
that other ship in this case the carrier

630
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,880
and get your ship

631
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,720
and that ship

632
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,799
get them away from each other

633
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:08,799
and get ready to fight the ship

634
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,799
as they say get ready to defend your

635
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,960
ship because something has gone on

636
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,720
something's happened

637
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,240
something

638
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:18,480
you know potentially pretty

639
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,520
tragic

640
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,039
and so you're going to do an emergency

641
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,960
breakaway if you didn't do an emergency

642
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:24,320
breakaway

643
00:24:27,269 --> 00:24:25,520
they would say okay we're done

644
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,279
transferring everything

645
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,200
and then they would slowly carefully

646
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,080
systematically dismantle all the rigging

647
00:24:35,029 --> 00:24:34,000
the hoses the lines and they would drop

648
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,039
off

649
00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:37,440
and you know in a very very orderly

650
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,559
fashion

651
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,000
and then the two ships which are about

652
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,799
150 feet from one another would just

653
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,320
slowly

654
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:46,799
you know start to make their own way

655
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,559
and then separate out across the water

656
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,760
from each other

657
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,200
this was done

658
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,440
in a new york minute

659
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,600
they separated those lines and hoses

660
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,080
they didn't reel a man

661
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:00,960
they dropped into the water and our ship

662
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,159
turned so hard to starboard and i

663
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,080
you know you're up on the o6 level so

664
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,080
you're probably i don't know

665
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:10,480
80 feet above the water line 60 feet

666
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,799
maybe maybe that's maybe too much to do

667
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,360
but 50 50 60 feet

668
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,279
and this big warship

669
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,760
goes to full speed and turns hard right

670
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,760
and it's not like a speedboat where it

671
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,000
it banks to turn

672
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:26,559
when it turns it heals over to the

673
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:28,480
outside because of the top heaviness

674
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,679
right

675
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:31,279
and so you're trying to keep your

676
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:33,520
balance and go about your business get

677
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:35,440
back to whatever you need to go do

678
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,320
and this ship is picking up speed it's

679
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,799
turning hard to the right the carrier's

680
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,559
doing the same thing turning hard to the

681
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,039
left picking up speed

682
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,120
and it was within like three minutes or

683
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:49,200
so that i was quickly you know back down

684
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:50,559
in my work center and looked at the

685
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,600
radar

686
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:53,520
and i didn't see that thing so i don't

687
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,880
know if the emergency breakaway was

688
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:56,960
related at all

689
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,400
it could have just been they didn't

690
00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,919
announce that they were going to do it

691
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,159
normally they do they did announce the

692
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:04,000
the drill which was the

693
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,559
underway replenishment drill but

694
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:08,400
they didn't announce the emergency

695
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,760
breakaway beforehand they just did it

696
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,760
and i want to get to why we're here for

697
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:16,400
the congressional language but

698
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:17,919
in your opinion and i know you've talked

699
00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,480
about this before briefly and it upsets

700
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,080
people i've seen people get upset after

701
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,000
you say it do you think that was our

702
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,400
technology or somebody else's technology

703
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:29,360
yeah that's sort of the bottom line is

704
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:32,880
you you have you can go to um

705
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,360
what's paco's website

706
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,679
um fighter sweep is where he wrote

707
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,679
spider-sweep.com there's there's an

708
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:40,960
article on there about a guy who was

709
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,080
sitting in the alert five jet on an

710
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,080
aircraft carrier the persian gulf

711
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,400
which means that he's sitting in a jet

712
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,080
he's waiting there he's sitting in the

713
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:53,039
jet jets not running it's on the carrier

714
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,559
ready to be launched at a moment's

715
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,799
notice if there's a threat

716
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:59,039
and sure enough they pick up two

717
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,360
one or two iranian

718
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:03,440
jets that are

719
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,159
but

720
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,840
somebody didn't get the word to them

721
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,640
they didn't pick it up until really late

722
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,799
and all of a sudden they tell this guy

723
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,200
this pilot you gotta go we get launched

724
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:14,880
against this target he's hearing all the

725
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,720
discussion over his helmet over the over

726
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,840
the radio

727
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,760
his canopy comes down he fires up the

728
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,360
engines he's already there at the

729
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:23,679
catapult he just comes forward they lock

730
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:26,559
him in and they shoot him off the deck

731
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:29,679
and as soon as he gets wheels up

732
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:32,320
he already sees these two jets they're

733
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:36,159
already there and all he can do is turn

734
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:38,000
and get on their tail as they fly past

735
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,600
the carrier so somebody really screwed

736
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:41,039
up and that's the whole one of the

737
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:42,640
points of that article

738
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,679
um

739
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,360
that's how seriously in the persian gulf

740
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:47,840
it's it's only

741
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,799
like a pond it's not it's not like a sea

742
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,880
or an ocean it's a small relatively

743
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:54,799
small body of water there's not a lot of

744
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:56,960
distance therefore not a lot of time

745
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:59,279
between our warships and whatever

746
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:02,080
hostile intent the iranians might have

747
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,399
you've just got in some cases minutes

748
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:07,200
maybe seconds to react so you're always

749
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:09,200
on edge when you're out there in the

750
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,720
persian gulf

751
00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,120
and the fact that this thing flew right

752
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,760
over the top of the battle group

753
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,679
and nobody really twitched

754
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,279
certainly there were no fighters you're

755
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:20,880
back to your sighting now right i'm back

756
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:23,679
to my siding right tells me

757
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:24,880
that

758
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:34,880
well so you go back to the first gulf

759
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,919
war nobody knew whatever whoever that is

760
00:28:41,909 --> 00:28:39,440
we knew i mean there are people who

761
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,919
think we're working with them

762
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:43,679
as a possibility

763
00:28:48,630 --> 00:28:46,399
or well

764
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:48,640
would i so if you take it further you

765
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,399
you kind of draw some comparisons to the

766
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,919
first gulf war

767
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,480
no one really knew except for a few

768
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,080
aviation writers

769
00:29:02,710 --> 00:28:58,640
but even then they didn't know for sure

770
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,720
what what the f-117 nighthawk was or was

771
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,760
for

772
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,000
and what it could do

773
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,320
and then on the opening night or shortly

774
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,640
thereafter of the first gulf war

775
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:12,720
we find out that there's a squadron of

776
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,679
these things based at a remote austere

777
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:17,279
we're told it's austere i'm sure they

778
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,880
were probably living air force guys

779
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:20,080
living pretty

780
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:21,520
pretty posh

781
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,480
um

782
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,440
out somewhere in the remote saudi desert

783
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,000
had a very special airstrip

784
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,799
very covert no access to any citizen

785
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,120
saudi citizens nobody would know it was

786
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:36,000
there it's in the middle of nfw

787
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:36,960
and

788
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:39,279
these guys were launching these f-117s

789
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:41,600
out of there for the duration of the air

790
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:42,399
war

791
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:45,679
in iraq okay until that moment

792
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,919
we didn't know what the f-117 was all

793
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:49,200
about

794
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,799
by the same token

795
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,640
are there austere

796
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:55,120
remote out of the way

797
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,039
highly sensitive and secret very well

798
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:59,120
kept secret air bases

799
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,360
for us to forward deploy

800
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,840
some of our

801
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,840
technology

802
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,919
i would not doubt it i would bet my

803
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:10,320
house on it it would have to be

804
00:30:12,789 --> 00:30:11,200
right

805
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,799
so

806
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,200
not to muddy the waters but it was my

807
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,279
sense just because of my

808
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:19,120
aviation aerospace background at the

809
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,320
time

810
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,399
that this thing was

811
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,919
climbing

812
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,279
subtly

813
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,600
not in a steep banking climb but it was

814
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,279
gaining altitude

815
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,960
it could have been

816
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:32,640
due to the haze

817
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,440
but um having been out there a lot in

818
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:37,919
that area and having seen

819
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:40,559
air airliners and other aircraft that

820
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:42,399
that launch out of

821
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,710
bahrain

822
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:50,640
or even iran

823
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,760
oftentimes some of those flights are so

824
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:55,120
short if it's an if it's an

825
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:57,120
inter-regional flight like say from iran

826
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,799
over to saudi or from iran into bahrain

827
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:02,399
they don't they don't even have time to

828
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:03,919
serve tea and coffee on the flight

829
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,960
really they sort of fly a parabola they

830
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:08,480
take off

831
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,679
they probably don't even give people

832
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,279
time to unbuckle their seat belts and

833
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,960
put their tray tables down because it's

834
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:14,880
already time to to get set up for a

835
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:18,799
landing but this thing was on seemed to

836
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,480
be to me on a shallow ascent

837
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,159
as if it was climbing

838
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,039
i tie that back too well these austere

839
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,519
you know secret remote air strips that

840
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,080
probably exist out in the desert

841
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:34,159
environment out there the uae or saudi

842
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,519
or both

843
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,840
and it's quite conceivable also it was

844
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,440
headed north

845
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,519
and what was north of us

846
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:42,640
iraq

847
00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:46,159
this was 1992 saddam was still in power

848
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,240
still up to his shenanigans

849
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,720
so all of this is speculation based on

850
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:54,789
sort of informed speculation to an

851
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,679
extent but again speculation nonetheless

852
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:59,600
and you just might get feeling and i

853
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,399
know

854
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:03,279
before and you may not want to but i

855
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:05,120
know after you recorded the interview

856
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,799
for unidentified with blue you had a

857
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,480
conversation later on if you want to

858
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,399
share any of that

859
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,360
that would be great if not we'll move on

860
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:15,440
well i'll just briefly share something

861
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,039
about it but uh

862
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,720
i think you know that

863
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,159
we have i have some graphics that i've

864
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:21,760
shown before

865
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:24,240
but i i wanted to put those into a slide

866
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:25,279
deck something that makes it more

867
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,039
presentable because as you and i

868
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,600
discussed i've also

869
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,440
discovered in a

870
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,120
really interesting video that's been out

871
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:35,039
there for a while now

872
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,810
uh from the early to middle 2000s

873
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:39,600
[Music]

874
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,919
of this this supposed tr3

875
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,799
b

876
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,600
right

877
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:47,519
nighttime

878
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:50,399
over a cityscape what city it's not

879
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,519
clear

880
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,200
comes into view

881
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,600
it drifts in it stops and it rotates and

882
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,279
you can

883
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:59,440
and i didn't see this for years i had

884
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:01,600
saved this video and then tom delong

885
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:04,399
went on joe rogan

886
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,440
and he was espousing all the stuff that

887
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,760
was apparently a lot of it from what he

888
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,320
had been told by his

889
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,240
you know his handlers his contacts in

890
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:16,320
the government how all this stuff got

891
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:19,360
started this most recent iteration

892
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,399
and uh

893
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:23,440
rogan and his sidekick kind of

894
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:24,960
laughed it off when the thing was

895
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,320
rotating

896
00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,840
and you can make out the vertical

897
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,200
stabilizers

898
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,760
and you can sort of see a canopy on top

899
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:33,120
and delong said something like see

900
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,960
there's a pilot in that thing

901
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,360
and rogan kind of laughed like you know

902
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:39,519
you're you're seeing things or whatever

903
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:40,720
yeah everybody but if you study that

904
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,720
right

905
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,360
well if you study it closely

906
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,960
um

907
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,480
there you can see

908
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,399
what i am absolutely convinced is the

909
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:52,799
use of cold gas thrusters

910
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,549
in reaction to its rotation

911
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,799
and in the opposite direction that stop

912
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,640
its rotation

913
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,159
and it becomes

914
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,640
completely stable in a hover just before

915
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:09,040
it supposedly disappears

916
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,960
right once it fires up its engine or

917
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:12,320
whatever happens whatever you see in the

918
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:15,440
video you know your mind

919
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,960
can wander in that one but um

920
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,280
if it's if i if those are cold gas

921
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,960
thrusters firing

922
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:24,399
most of the

923
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:29,119
probably never heard of them

924
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,520
and everybody in aerospace is probably

925
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,119
well aware of them

926
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,720
but they didn't really come into vogue

927
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,159
until

928
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:38,960
uh spacex started

929
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:41,440
using these re reusable

930
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,240
boosters on the falcon 9

931
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,159
where they launch

932
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:49,359
and then the booster expends itself and

933
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:51,919
detaches or separates and the satellites

934
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,720
keep going on the second stage and the

935
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:57,119
booster flips around

936
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,359
and heads back to

937
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:01,440
land at the launch site

938
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:02,880
or to land

939
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,520
on a uh on a barge out in the ocean by

940
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:06,960
parachute

941
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,040
it comes down

942
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:12,960
at like mock something

943
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:15,040
and it uses its rockets firing it's

944
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,560
coming down backwards and fires its uh

945
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,320
main rocket

946
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:21,920
to decelerate

947
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,400
and it uses cold gas thrusters

948
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:27,359
and they are so clearly and well

949
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:30,560
uh presented in these videos of all of

950
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,520
these launches you can see that cold gas

951
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,680
thrusting takes place

952
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:37,760
from the very moment

953
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:40,560
that the main booster cuts off

954
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:42,839
that view of that camera looking back at

955
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:45,920
earth and you'll start to see this these

956
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,040
puffs

957
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:49,920
of gas coming out just rapid impulses of

958
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:54,160
gas coming out that flip this thing over

959
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:55,680
and point it back

960
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,280
to the launch site and they fire the

961
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,599
rocket and they head back and then when

962
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,359
they get close they spin it around again

963
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,349
use it to break

964
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,359
and then they use these fins

965
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,000
that pop out of the side these grids and

966
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,400
they use cold gas thrusting

967
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:14,000
to keep the thing oriented as it's

968
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,680
coming back down to land

969
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,880
now that's

970
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,720
go back to the first

971
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,640
spacex you know

972
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,560
recovery of their one of their boosters

973
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:24,079
where we saw that

974
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,599
um

975
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,560
this video that tom delong talked about

976
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,480
on joe rogan

977
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,880
that was still years after it had come

978
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:34,720
out on the internet

979
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,589
on something that is supposedly

980
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,400
some sort of a of a u.s developed air

981
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:46,160
vehicle

982
00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:50,630
that's pretty remarkable

983
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:53,040
you know nanoset nanoset technology

984
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,480
little nanosets little cubesats

985
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,880
they it's an economical way to control

986
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,400
them in space so you don't have to have

987
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,320
these

988
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,839
little thrusters and boosters and all

989
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:05,520
this stuff on on the on the little

990
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:07,839
satellite body you can you can just put

991
00:37:13,589 --> 00:37:10,560
in a simplistic

992
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:13,599
thruster system using pressurized cold

993
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,560
gas

994
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:16,000
nitrogen

995
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,760
helium whatever it is

996
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,119
there's several different chemicals they

997
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,880
can use

998
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,720
to control it

999
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:25,200
right so that's been around that's been

1000
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,880
around since about 2003 2005

1001
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:30,960
you the use of cold gas thrusting but

1002
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:34,400
this video has to me it's a signature

1003
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,720
that nobody's ever talked about to me

1004
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,320
it's very telling

1005
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:41,040
and it's to them potential authenticity

1006
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:42,880
and we'll get back i don't know people

1007
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,480
are saying oh he thinks that video is

1008
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,160
legitimate michael's michael vi's

1009
00:37:49,910 --> 00:37:47,599
credibility is down the tubes because

1010
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,920
i've seen people just just rip into that

1011
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,160
video and i'm not good at det detecting

1012
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,160
cgi others have but

1013
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:56,480
and we don't to get into it anymore um i

1014
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:57,280
know

1015
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,640
you have an opinion on why because

1016
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,920
people are like if we had that

1017
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:02,160
technology you would see us using again

1018
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:04,480
using it against our adversaries we'll

1019
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,079
not we will not talk about that right

1020
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:09,119
now remind me later on real quick

1021
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:10,400
since it's related do you think the

1022
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:14,160
aurora exists the ever

1023
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:16,079
theorized aurora craft do you know

1024
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,520
anything about that um probably no more

1025
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,520
than the next person that's taking some

1026
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,040
interest in it i mean

1027
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:25,920
there are a lot of interesting uh

1028
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:32,790
these geological stations throughout the

1029
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:35,839
southwest in california have recorded a

1030
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,800
lot of seismic events that they are

1031
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,560
convinced it's coming from

1032
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:42,240
originating from out somewhere in the

1033
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,280
desert

1034
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:45,359
at some airstrip or whatever

1035
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,560
um that you know these these recordings

1036
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,320
these sonic booms or whatever they are

1037
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,920
once they get out of the ocean

1038
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,599
or uh

1039
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,359
there's lots of hard data that indicates

1040
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,720
something's sipping around out there

1041
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,520
right

1042
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,800
it's the next step

1043
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,119
right over beyond because people a lot

1044
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:03,200
of people don't know what the aurora is

1045
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:05,359
or allegedly is just real quick what is

1046
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,390
well i don't know what it is what it's

1047
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:12,839
alleged to be is a sort of a single

1048
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,910
vehicle aircraft

1049
00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:21,119
meaning

1050
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,079
it doesn't have to launch inside

1051
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:26,640
of the cargo bay of the space shuttle

1052
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:28,160
and the space shuttle gets it up into

1053
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,920
space and then opens up the cargo bay

1054
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:31,599
and then lets this thing out

1055
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,440
this thing apparently

1056
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:35,040
supposedly

1057
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:35,839
can

1058
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,359
launch like an aircraft off of a runway

1059
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,200
and then

1060
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,839
hit the jets so to speak and get up

1061
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:45,680
outside the atmosphere

1062
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,800
go do its thing in orbit

1063
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:50,960
and then come back in and land again

1064
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,960
like a conventional aircraft on a runway

1065
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,480
there's a comment for you i don't know

1066
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,240
if that's a friend of yours said he

1067
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,079
worked with you for many years is that

1068
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:02,160
the guy we were talking about earlier

1069
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,920
can you see that yeah

1070
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:05,040
yeah

1071
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:06,480
um

1072
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,520
so

1073
00:40:11,109 --> 00:40:08,960
let's get into the congressional

1074
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:11,119
language so the house put out their

1075
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,599
language uh for the intelligence

1076
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:15,280
and you can explain this intelligence

1077
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,280
intelligence authorization act and

1078
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:19,440
national defense

1079
00:40:25,030 --> 00:40:23,760
act so the house and senate put out

1080
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,040
their language

1081
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,200
um i know you have

1082
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,200
your screen you can share with us and go

1083
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,800
through some of the language and i know

1084
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,640
a lot of people have heard

1085
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,960
things about what it offers and what it

1086
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:37,200
suggests and i've offered my opinions

1087
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,680
which i might be wrong about which we'll

1088
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:41,280
find out when you explain your take on

1089
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,480
the language um

1090
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,079
before we get into it are you are you

1091
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,839
encouraged that we're did you ever

1092
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:49,599
expect us that we would even be talking

1093
00:40:54,309 --> 00:40:52,240
about the language that's in that you

1094
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:54,319
know in that amendment at this point in

1095
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,520
time

1096
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,160
because i think i told you that um and

1097
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,920
my friend um

1098
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,440
that commented

1099
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:03,119
i think he's aware i think i've talked

1100
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:04,880
to him about this multiple times but in

1101
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:07,040
our old company which was

1102
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:09,040
right across the street from from the

1103
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:14,309
i

1104
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:25,040
we worked

1105
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,640
amongst some of the brightest people on

1106
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:28,240
the planet

1107
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,920
scientists engineers mathematicians

1108
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,200
you name it

1109
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:36,079
and uh all of these people were

1110
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:37,040
uh

1111
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,400
just

1112
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,480
fantastic human beings for the most part

1113
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,480
and and just just brilliant in their own

1114
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,760
way

1115
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:45,839
and one day i corralled two or three of

1116
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:47,920
them in my office and i drew what i saw

1117
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,760
on my white board

1118
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,200
and one guy

1119
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:54,480
they were all aerospace engineers

1120
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:58,560
one had been stationed at area 51

1121
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,240
the other two i've now forgotten were

1122
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,960
they one he and he was former air force

1123
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,720
the other two were not

1124
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,240
former military

1125
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,079
but i i described

1126
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,800
fully what i saw and drew it

1127
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,800
um on the board and one of the first

1128
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,400
things the guy said oh that's another

1129
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:16,400
looks like a norelco razor head

1130
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,599
you know

1131
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,119
sort of a rounded triangle with three

1132
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:21,359
circles one in each corner

1133
00:42:28,309 --> 00:42:24,880
but after the after the

1134
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,319
that comment uh they they didn't know

1135
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,720
um they had no idea

1136
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:32,319
but it was kind of funny to me that the

1137
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,200
guy that had worked at area 51 was

1138
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,720
really and he probably because he was

1139
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,640
kind of a quiet guy anyway maybe i made

1140
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,400
more out of it than should have been

1141
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,319
he didn't have a whole lot to say other

1142
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:44,079
than

1143
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,480
and so his silence was

1144
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:48,400
interesting to me

1145
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:50,000
um

1146
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:53,440
but nonetheless i spent

1147
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:56,400
i i gave it the good old college try the

1148
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,839
entire time i was uh supporting uh the

1149
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,480
intelligence community whenever i had uh

1150
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,880
a chance i i would i would look for

1151
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,240
evidence of what you know i was looking

1152
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,920
for a program

1153
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:09,839
um there's a lot of times that you can

1154
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,599
access overviews about other programs

1155
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,880
and things like that

1156
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:15,359
but certainly if something's beyond your

1157
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,480
need to know you're not going to be able

1158
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:18,560
to get into it but but i never found any

1159
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,870
so

1160
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,400
forget your question now

1161
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,160
oh here's another question um that's

1162
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,920
fine we'll get into it it'll come up uh

1163
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,680
michael is there any chance you will be

1164
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,200
and by the way johnny thank you very

1165
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:36,240
much for that um

1166
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:37,760
is there any chance you would be called

1167
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:40,800
for congressional hearings

1168
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,760
uh nobody's gotten in touch with me no i

1169
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,040
i don't know

1170
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,800
i doubt it it's already gotten it's

1171
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:48,720
gotten well beyond

1172
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:50,880
hey i saw something that that's that

1173
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,119
really shouldn't you know even if i saw

1174
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,079
it in his rares that should have been

1175
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:58,400
as far as what it was or what it looked

1176
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:01,040
like it was where i saw it

1177
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,680
which was as equally compelling as

1178
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,720
you know

1179
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,560
the tic tac incident or any other

1180
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,880
incident taking place around an aircraft

1181
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,040
carrier battle group albeit

1182
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:12,720
this was not a nuclear powered aircraft

1183
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,680
carrier

1184
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,280
it was a conventionally powered aircraft

1185
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:17,119
carrier right

1186
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,240
and

1187
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,720
that's not to say

1188
00:44:24,069 --> 00:44:22,640
that it didn't have nuclear warheads on

1189
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,079
board

1190
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:26,079
who knows

1191
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,400
i wouldn't have been privy to that

1192
00:44:32,790 --> 00:44:30,319
i missed this earlier do you think

1193
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:32,800
that's the case

1194
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:36,000
the aurora is the tr-3b

1195
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:37,520
i have no idea

1196
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:42,000
i know that what i saw what i saw match

1197
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:45,280
what i saw in the golf exactly

1198
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:46,480
matches

1199
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:48,839
what's in that video we're talking

1200
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:51,760
about as far as it's the one on road

1201
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,800
shape

1202
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,160
all right yep

1203
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,760
exactly

1204
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,720
all right let's get into the

1205
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,240
congressional language if you want to

1206
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:00,880
share your screen and i will tell people

1207
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,280
what i said on twitter my reaction might

1208
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,760
be wrong and you'll listen to michael

1209
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,000
over me um

1210
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,599
because i said

1211
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,119
i think it offers immunity but i've

1212
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,960
heard privately from somebody who said

1213
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,359
it does not offer immunity but the

1214
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:17,280
language is still

1215
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:20,720
encouraging because it's a first step um

1216
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,200
and as soon as i see your screen pop up

1217
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:26,000
i will share it there it is it's a first

1218
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,119
step so

1219
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,800
let's just talk about what's in the

1220
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,280
language from the senate

1221
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:33,280
version

1222
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:34,480
there we go

1223
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:40,550
this is in relation to

1224
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,960
just blow it up a little bit michael

1225
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,560
make it larger

1226
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:47,200
so it's easier to read

1227
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:48,720
just so the text is a little there you

1228
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:49,520
go

1229
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,880
what you think are important

1230
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,200
all right in the language kind of to

1231
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,040
your question this morning

1232
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:58,880
what's the difference between the

1233
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,880
intelligence authorization act and the

1234
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,560
in the ndaa

1235
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:06,240
the national defense

1236
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,040
so one the ndaa is specific to the

1237
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,640
department of defense

1238
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:12,319
and defense related matters and it can

1239
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,079
also include things like veterans

1240
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,040
affairs things and issues and funding

1241
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:18,720
but it's it's where they

1242
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,599
draw it's where they appropriate or

1243
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,599
it's where all the bills go that require

1244
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:25,760
funding to fund the department of

1245
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:27,040
defense

1246
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:28,319
and everything that falls under the

1247
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,359
department of defense intelligence

1248
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:33,440
which defense uses

1249
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,440
is is authorized

1250
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:36,720
in its own

1251
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:39,599
bill or its own um

1252
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:40,720
platform

1253
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:42,640
it's the intelligence authorization act

1254
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,560
both both of them are annual events okay

1255
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:48,800
and so this this clearly says here it's

1256
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,800
for intelligence and intelligence

1257
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:53,040
related activities of the united states

1258
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,480
government right

1259
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:56,000
um

1260
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,680
so

1261
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,119
that's what we're going to see here and

1262
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:01,680
i don't use any kind of an adobe product

1263
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:04,880
or whatever i just use the onboard

1264
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:08,000
application inside of a of a mac laptop

1265
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:09,680
so it's going to be a little cumbersome

1266
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,680
some when we're so zoomed in like that i

1267
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,440
have to kind of come out to this 10 000

1268
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:15,520
foot view to kind of find where i am

1269
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,040
that's fine and for people who have

1270
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,960
questions just just write them down or

1271
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,240
remember them and save them for

1272
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:22,079
afterwards i'm not going to stop michael

1273
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:23,520
in the middle of this so and it's gonna

1274
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:25,280
get some of it'll get into the weeds

1275
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:26,880
some of it you haven't heard elsewhere

1276
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,400
because i don't know if anybody has the

1277
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,319
experience and knowledge that michael

1278
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,000
does related to the government and

1279
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:34,000
working in the government and intel

1280
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:36,079
world so go ahead

1281
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:38,240
well so so i'm just i'm going to say

1282
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,839
right up front here

1283
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:41,920
that this is what we're talking about

1284
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,240
and as usual we should you know we're

1285
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,160
not going to talk about anything

1286
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,640
i can't for obvious reasons i cannot

1287
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:50,559
talk about any programs i was assigned

1288
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:51,520
to

1289
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:54,960
anything that's not already publicly

1290
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:57,440
available information right so

1291
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:58,480
um

1292
00:48:01,109 --> 00:48:00,000
just to get that little disclaimer out

1293
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,119
of there

1294
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,960
out of the way um

1295
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,359
we definitely see here cannot talk about

1296
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,960
the day you rode

1297
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,720
in the intact craft from the crash

1298
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,400
retrieval program definitely cannot talk

1299
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,480
about that so go ahead sorry for the day

1300
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:14,400
i crashed my sport model

1301
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:15,520
um

1302
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,440
bob lazar reference

1303
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,800
so everyone

1304
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:20,720
hopefully will remember the they stood

1305
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:24,160
up an office called the uap task force

1306
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,280
and it uh and it came out with a

1307
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,760
a rather

1308
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:31,119
skeletal

1309
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,640
six or so page report to congress

1310
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:36,319
i believe that was in june of last year

1311
00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:40,720
right and it sort of was 144 cases

1312
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,319
only 143 were of any interest to

1313
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:46,000
those of us who care about this topic

1314
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,599
one was apparently

1315
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,839
the 144 was deemed to be something

1316
00:48:52,309 --> 00:48:51,200
perhaps i don't know a balloon or

1317
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,319
whatever

1318
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,720
but there were 143 anomalous cases that

1319
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,359
they reported on and there was a lot of

1320
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,760
uh pomp and circumstance but not a lot

1321
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,319
of meat on the bones of course with that

1322
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:04,240
so what this is saying here is that

1323
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,510
what's going on they don't like what's

1324
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:11,359
going on they're not getting the

1325
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:12,880
information they've asked for on the

1326
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,920
hill

1327
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,079
so they're going to restructure this and

1328
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,480
they have been very prescriptive about

1329
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:20,400
how they're going to do it

1330
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,160
minus the fact

1331
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:25,280
of identifying exactly

1332
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:28,400
which agency

1333
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:29,200
will

1334
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:32,079
be sort of the home office of this place

1335
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:33,680
they're telling us who's going to have

1336
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,119
authority who's going to have cognizance

1337
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,480
but um

1338
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,800
we don't know if it's going to be out of

1339
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,559
uh

1340
00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:44,319
nga

1341
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:46,000
the national geospatial intelligence

1342
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:47,760
agency or

1343
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,800
the national

1344
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:51,280
or um the defense intelligence agency or

1345
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,480
nro or nsa or any other the three-letter

1346
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,480
acronym agencies we don't know that yet

1347
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:58,079
for sure but we do know who's going to

1348
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,800
be in charge and it's going to be the

1349
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,720
secretary of defense

1350
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,800
working hand in glove with the director

1351
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:06,559
of national intelligence

1352
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:07,839
okay

1353
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:10,880
um and so what they're saying is that

1354
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,559
they're going to change the name

1355
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:15,119
from the uap task force

1356
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,000
to the

1357
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,720
aerospace undersea phenomena joint

1358
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,880
program office

1359
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,800
and already just on the front end that

1360
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,079
sounds

1361
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:26,800
a little more beefed up um and i'll

1362
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:34,390
the the color coding that that you're

1363
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,960
going to see here if it's uh you know if

1364
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,400
it's green

1365
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,079
it's it's something of interest but

1366
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,839
where is something that i found really

1367
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:42,880
important

1368
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,920
i put it in blue just using the onboard

1369
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,599
tool here that i have

1370
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,520
um

1371
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,760
so this was uh they're gonna this new

1372
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:53,520
office is gonna carry out the duties of

1373
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:56,720
the of the uap task force that was put

1374
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,319
into effect last december okay

1375
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,640
and uh it includes

1376
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:05,280
looking at trans medium objects this is

1377
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,480
a word

1378
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,040
that has never before been

1379
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:11,119
in that i'm aware of in any

1380
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,839
congressional language whatsoever

1381
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,480
trans medium indicating vehicles that

1382
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,440
can fly from outer space into the upper

1383
00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,640
atmosphere down into the lower

1384
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:22,640
atmosphere down into the ocean and back

1385
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:25,599
out and out again and gone

1386
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:27,680
trans medium

1387
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:30,480
and and whether they're in the air or

1388
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:31,680
under sea

1389
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:34,240
is a phenomena

1390
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,520
so they're saying here space and

1391
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,200
atmospheric and water domains they're

1392
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,000
being they're being so

1393
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,960
specific and so prescriptive further

1394
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:43,839
down

1395
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:44,960
um

1396
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,200
that it kind of makes you

1397
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:49,680
really impressed and we know who it is

1398
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,800
apparently

1399
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:53,280
uh who was working as the

1400
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:55,520
you know the the organ player behind the

1401
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:56,480
curtain

1402
00:52:01,030 --> 00:51:59,520
while the monkeys are

1403
00:52:02,309 --> 00:52:01,040
trying to put this piece of legislation

1404
00:52:03,270 --> 00:52:02,319
together

1405
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:03,280
um

1406
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,720
talking about melon right christopher

1407
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:06,960
mellon christopher mellon

1408
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:12,150
so so the the head of this group of this

1409
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:13,359
of this

1410
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:17,760
uap or it's no what is it now a uaup

1411
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,480
a unidentified unidentified aerospace

1412
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,319
undersea phenomena joint program office

1413
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,559
is going to happen its head is going to

1414
00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:26,559
be appointed by the director of national

1415
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,880
intelligence there is no higher

1416
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,319
intelligence

1417
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:32,880
authority on the law books than the

1418
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,079
director than dni okay

1419
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,200
it tells what their duties are

1420
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,359
they're going to develop procedures

1421
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:42,720
and they're going to standardize

1422
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,400
synchronize the collection reporting and

1423
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:46,559
analysis of whatever's going on

1424
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:52,150
on humans and there's more detail about

1425
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,280
this later

1426
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,880
in this document

1427
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:56,240
and they're going to have to submit

1428
00:53:02,390 --> 00:52:58,240
reports

1429
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,400
to the congressional defense committees

1430
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:04,640
and the and the intelligence committees

1431
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,640
and congressional leadership and there's

1432
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:09,359
there's a definition of congressional

1433
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,079
leadership that's included further down

1434
00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:14,160
it includes the minority leader the

1435
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:15,599
majority leader

1436
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,720
uh the speaker and so on and so forth

1437
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,599
so if you're looking for detail

1438
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,839
in something uh that deals with this

1439
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:25,680
topic that seems to finally have a

1440
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:28,240
little horsepower finally has a little

1441
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:29,119
meaning

1442
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,319
then i i think there's a little

1443
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,880
something in here for everyone okay the

1444
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,559
extent i don't want to put the cart in

1445
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,480
front of the horse the extent to which

1446
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,359
it compels

1447
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,280
highly sensitive national security

1448
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,160
programs to give up their information

1449
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,640
uh at the beck and call

1450
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:49,200
while they are to supposedly according

1451
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:53,040
to the law they should be a registered

1452
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,119
special program

1453
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:57,359
with the government

1454
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,440
they should have a legal funding line

1455
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,440
and they should have oversight

1456
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,829
i'm not saying that they all are and

1457
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,200
some aren't

1458
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:09,440
uh some they're probably all are they're

1459
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:10,400
just

1460
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,599
hidden beneath layers and layers of uh

1461
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,559
of contractual obfuscation meaning

1462
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:18,480
contracts and dummy corporations and

1463
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:20,720
whatever else who knows

1464
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,359
i'm saying that based on things that

1465
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,200
people in the know

1466
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:27,200
have said for years i'm not saying that

1467
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,480
i know that

1468
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,640
right i mean when you mean you know

1469
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,319
there are supposedly

1470
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:34,720
if there is a crash retrieval program

1471
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:36,960
the oversight would be very minimal very

1472
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:39,680
few people know about it so there is so

1473
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,799
that you're basically saying there is

1474
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:42,720
some all of those programs have at least

1475
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:44,480
some oversight but not necessarily

1476
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:46,880
congressional oversight

1477
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:49,119
well that's yes um

1478
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,319
and and

1479
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:52,720
you have to look at this from both views

1480
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:53,920
and that's why

1481
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,640
and we'll get into this but um

1482
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:58,880
this isn't just something that hits the

1483
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,040
printer right and you start sending this

1484
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,200
out or emailing it out to all the

1485
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,559
agencies and their contractors and and

1486
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:08,880
and that's the final word

1487
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,599
this this document this bill this this

1488
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:13,200
law has

1489
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,720
has some

1490
00:55:19,030 --> 00:55:17,040
substantial gravity to it

1491
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:19,040
um

1492
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,240
and there will be as

1493
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:24,480
out of the need to protect

1494
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,799
our most sensitive information

1495
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,040
there's going to have to be and probably

1496
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,040
already is i would imagine

1497
00:55:34,549 --> 00:55:33,280
a lot of very

1498
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,559
serious

1499
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,200
private discussions behind closed doors

1500
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,359
at some of the highest levels

1501
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:41,839
meaning some of the most sensitive uh

1502
00:55:46,829 --> 00:55:43,520
protected levels

1503
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:46,839
about how can we

1504
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:49,680
possibly uh abide by this

1505
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:52,559
we have to abide by this how can we how

1506
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,920
can we possibly do it and not risk

1507
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,839
compromising

1508
00:56:01,349 --> 00:56:00,400
a program or more than one program

1509
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:01,359
because

1510
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,400
you know

1511
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:04,640
you could theoretically pandora's box

1512
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,160
could be opened right

1513
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:08,880
um oh there was a crash yeah oh you

1514
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:11,359
retrieved something yeah oh let us see

1515
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,240
it

1516
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,000
oh there were bodies

1517
00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,480
where are they you know and it just who

1518
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:18,960
knows and i'm again i don't know any of

1519
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:21,599
that i just know what people have

1520
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,880
have said

1521
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:24,640
and i said to you i said to you earlier

1522
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,920
in the week i said

1523
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,079
if we have bodies there's no argument i

1524
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,640
could think of i mean i can think of but

1525
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:32,720
that's not national national security

1526
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:35,200
related and you were like disagree

1527
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:39,270
oh

1528
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:41,440
just the bodies aspect

1529
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,960
non-human bodies allegedly

1530
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,559
why shouldn't that get out to the world

1531
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,240
what classificate what's national

1532
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:50,240
security issues are related to non-human

1533
00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:55,990
besides panic

1534
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:58,240
well there you have it i mean how many

1535
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,319
people could sit around and

1536
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,920
and consume that

1537
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:03,599
in five minutes

1538
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:05,599
and be the same person to walk back out

1539
00:57:09,349 --> 00:57:07,440
and go water their grass or go walk

1540
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:09,359
their dog or go out and grill grill

1541
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,240
dinner

1542
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,400
on the barbie and be the same person

1543
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:14,400
they were

1544
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:17,200
five minutes before they heard that

1545
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:18,640
that

1546
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:21,599
finding out especially for people

1547
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,880
that are

1548
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,440
whose faith whose religious faith or

1549
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,760
their own personal belief system and

1550
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:29,040
structure

1551
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:30,240
uh is

1552
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,349
you're talking about

1553
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,960
upheaval

1554
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,559
and i don't mean like people running

1555
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:42,240
down the street with guns and just you

1556
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,599
know chaos

1557
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:45,839
that you're talking about

1558
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:51,750
that has some pretty has some pretty

1559
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:54,480
dark overtones to it i i know i get it

1560
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:57,440
totally it's a it's a world-changing

1561
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:00,160
paradigm you know paradigm setting

1562
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,680
information that

1563
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,839
we can talk about later i mean i'll just

1564
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,280
throw it in there right now gary nolan

1565
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:07,040
in his interview with danica patrick

1566
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:09,280
which the link is in my description for

1567
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:11,119
the whole interview with gary nolan um

1568
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,559
he said you know what if what we're

1569
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:14,720
dealing with is negative and somehow

1570
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:16,799
they're farming us for whatever reason

1571
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,839
you know that's not a good thing and

1572
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,200
that may be one of the reasons why it's

1573
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,200
being kept secret which we've discussed

1574
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:23,040
some of the negative aspects both of you

1575
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,880
and i think there is some there may be

1576
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,960
some negative aspects to the phenomenon

1577
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:29,119
um so yeah i do agree with you i still

1578
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:30,640
want the information they just have to

1579
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:32,880
put it out carefully no i'm happy i'm

1580
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:35,440
not in their shoes

1581
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,440
but continue yeah i mean

1582
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:39,119
i think it's gonna be

1583
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:42,400
enormously challenging okay um hence the

1584
00:58:46,589 --> 00:58:43,520
apparent

1585
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:46,599
slow roll and uh

1586
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:49,280
acclimatization i'll put it that way

1587
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:50,559
all right so

1588
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:52,559
again we look at

1589
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:54,880
a document written in exceedingly great

1590
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,400
detail very prescriptive they're going

1591
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:58,880
to develop processes and procedures to

1592
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:00,319
ensure

1593
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:01,920
that these incidents

1594
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,040
from each component of the department of

1595
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:07,839
defense so army navy air force marine

1596
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:08,880
corps

1597
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:11,599
uh your combatant commands socom

1598
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:14,799
northcom indo paycom uco european

1599
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,920
command

1600
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:17,280
etc

1601
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:19,760
um those elements

1602
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,440
of the intelligence community make sure

1603
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:23,839
that those incidents are reported and

1604
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:25,760
incorporated into a centralized

1605
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:28,240
repository doesn't say anything about

1606
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,000
centralized publicly available

1607
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,319
repository but again this is a good

1608
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,040
start right uh it's codifying or

1609
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,440
codifying all this stuff and laying it

1610
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,079
out for the first time in history

1611
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:42,160
about what really should be done about

1612
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:45,040
something like this

1613
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:47,599
timely and consistent reporting don't

1614
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,599
tell us about an overflight

1615
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:52,319
of some anomalous vehicle of uh oak

1616
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:53,599
ridge

1617
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,559
uh national labs or sandia or some

1618
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:58,160
aircraft carrier don't tell us that

1619
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:01,359
happened last tuesday don't tell us in

1620
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,160
2024 we want to know about it

1621
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:06,079
it needs to be reported

1622
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:07,599
as

1623
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,160
that takes place throughout the

1624
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,760
intelligence and defense communities

1625
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,359
which is often

1626
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:19,119
is real time

1627
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:20,400
uh and

1628
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:21,920
and uh

1629
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:24,400
and is extremely important to to our our

1630
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,720
national defense and national security

1631
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:28,079
intelligence reporting so they're

1632
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:30,079
wanting this to be reported

1633
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,079
forthwith right

1634
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:34,480
they also are charged with evaluating

1635
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,799
whether there are any threats

1636
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:38,319
uh to the united states from these

1637
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:39,520
incidents

1638
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,799
and then they coordinate they're

1639
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,400
supposed to coordinate so another thing

1640
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,799
you keep saying the word shall

1641
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,799
and anybody that's done

1642
01:00:51,030 --> 01:00:49,040
and my colleague will know that in

1643
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:51,040
contractual language or legislative

1644
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,559
language when it says shall

1645
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:56,640
and it's it's replete it's throughout

1646
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:57,839
this document

1647
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:02,069
shall

1648
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,040
okay

1649
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:05,200
what that means in government parlances

1650
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:07,760
you will

1651
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:14,079
it's not saying please try

1652
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:15,760
um

1653
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:17,119
you're going to coordinate with other

1654
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,880
departments including of the government

1655
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:20,559
including faa

1656
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,599
nasa

1657
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,480
dhs and noah

1658
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:26,400
and the national science foundation and

1659
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:28,400
i think this is huge here

1660
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:31,040
the department of energy

1661
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:32,799
because there is a large body of

1662
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,480
evidence that indicates that a lot of

1663
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:36,319
this information

1664
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:38,319
for for a lot of cases some obvious

1665
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:41,599
reasons it has been held and is being

1666
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,280
done a lot of the work has been done in

1667
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,079
the past by uh

1668
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,040
the department of energy

1669
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,280
you're going to coordinate with allies

1670
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:53,200
and partners of the united states

1671
01:01:56,789 --> 01:01:54,559
michael let me just stop you one second

1672
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:56,799
what's what if these departments don't

1673
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:58,480
that they don't abide by this they say

1674
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:00,319
you know what i'm sorry but i'm not

1675
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,240
giving them that information how can

1676
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:04,240
congress handle that

1677
01:02:08,710 --> 01:02:06,160
well it wouldn't be the first time that

1678
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,720
one agency asked another for

1679
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,799
cooperation in something and they all

1680
01:02:15,670 --> 01:02:12,799
have their little fiefdoms

1681
01:02:17,430 --> 01:02:15,680
and uh there's competition in many cases

1682
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:17,440
but largely a lot of times it's due to

1683
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:18,799
funding

1684
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:23,280
or uh competing programs that

1685
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,319
may be attempting to do the same mission

1686
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:28,480
a different way but just doing it a

1687
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:29,920
different way

1688
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:31,839
and so uh

1689
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,839
you know one agency will want to

1690
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,760
stonewall the other because they want

1691
01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:37,359
their program to get funded the next

1692
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:39,280
year and go forward and being the

1693
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:41,359
program and not have this other these

1694
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:42,480
other uh

1695
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:44,240
guys over here at this other agency so

1696
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,280
they'll

1697
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:47,359
that they could refuse

1698
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:49,359
but you know there's a mechanism in here

1699
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:50,799
and we'll get to it

1700
01:02:55,029 --> 01:02:53,200
where the frequent reporting back to

1701
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:55,039
congress

1702
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,880
to these committees

1703
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,799
this will surface

1704
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:00,960
and i personally wouldn't want to be

1705
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:03,200
in any agency leadership

1706
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:05,039
position where

1707
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:06,880
i'm on a list

1708
01:03:11,670 --> 01:03:09,119
of people that refused

1709
01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:11,680
to cooperate based on

1710
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:12,960
the law

1711
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:16,400
right so we'll see but that you know

1712
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:18,240
that's pie in the sky stuff for me to

1713
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:21,680
say that it happens all the time

1714
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:22,720
okay

1715
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:25,200
is it supposed to no a lot of a lot of

1716
01:03:27,990 --> 01:03:27,200
times it's human nature

1717
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:28,000
you know

1718
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,760
no matter where you work

1719
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:31,599
i don't care where you work there's

1720
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:33,920
always somebody you can point to and say

1721
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:34,720
that

1722
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:39,599
they're everywhere there's also there

1723
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:41,440
are also stupid people

1724
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:43,440
um they say it

1725
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:45,200
but then there are also people that are

1726
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:46,960
have convictions

1727
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:49,520
and and and we we know in this in this

1728
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:50,640
domain

1729
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,400
uh that religious conviction has been uh

1730
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,640
an impediment to progress

1731
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:58,799
uh people claiming that this is the work

1732
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:01,039
of angels and demons and and it goes

1733
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,680
against their religious values so

1734
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:05,680
they refuse to support it or acknowledge

1735
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:08,480
it or even allow it to be

1736
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:10,000
the information to be passed up the

1737
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:11,599
chain to to their leadership just

1738
01:04:15,029 --> 01:04:12,720
because

1739
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:15,039
they don't want anything to do with it

1740
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,720
and they have the power and the clout

1741
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:18,640
and the authority to stop it

1742
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:20,559
right and i've said before whatever this

1743
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:22,000
is i do want to know and there are

1744
01:04:25,910 --> 01:04:23,280
people who have made an interesting

1745
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:25,920
argument that maybe knowing

1746
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:28,720
opens up a door into our world that

1747
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:30,000
you know but

1748
01:04:33,029 --> 01:04:31,520
there's no way to know until we actually

1749
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:33,039
learn about it i want to learn about it

1750
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,400
whatever the repercussions i want to

1751
01:04:37,829 --> 01:04:36,240
know what we're dealing with you know i

1752
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:37,839
would think most of us who are watching

1753
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:41,200
here in the community want to know

1754
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:43,839
well i i personally don't go that far i

1755
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,079
i don't know that we really do

1756
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:48,000
i i know that a lot of us think we want

1757
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:49,200
to know

1758
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:57,920
going on everything i don't

1759
01:05:03,270 --> 01:04:59,680
i'm interested

1760
01:05:06,829 --> 01:05:03,280
but i'm a little wary of why

1761
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:09,430
secrecy and

1762
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,160
you know to be quite frank about it the

1763
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:14,640
worrying comes from the not knowing

1764
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,640
right it's it's the unknown

1765
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:18,240
but there are

1766
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:20,480
there's more than one person out there

1767
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:27,270
is is a reliable actor

1768
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:29,680
and has some reliable information

1769
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:30,720
that has

1770
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:33,119
painted a not so rosy picture

1771
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:35,599
about what this is really all about

1772
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:38,480
the so-called core story

1773
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:40,000
right

1774
01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:42,400
and it could be so dark

1775
01:05:49,029 --> 01:05:45,119
and so foreboding and unsettling

1776
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,630
at the end of the day you may wish you

1777
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:52,400
hadn't been told

1778
01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:54,640
because it could it could wreck your

1779
01:05:57,670 --> 01:05:56,079
wreck your future

1780
01:05:58,950 --> 01:05:57,680
your outlook it would certainly change

1781
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:58,960
your outlook whether it would wreck it

1782
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:01,039
or not it depends you know who knows

1783
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:03,200
right um so i say you know

1784
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:05,920
grain of salt and use use uh

1785
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:07,119
use a

1786
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:10,240
a a lot of caution in in that regard to

1787
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,880
sort of temper your uh i'll just speak

1788
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:14,400
for myself i sort of temper my

1789
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:15,760
expectations

1790
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:18,559
um yeah i do i want to know today

1791
01:06:23,270 --> 01:06:21,599
in july 2022 i want to know

1792
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:23,280
fast forward five years from now i'm

1793
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,280
like i could be saying why did they tell

1794
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:27,359
us that why did they tell us why

1795
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,160
couldn't have lived in my little

1796
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,799
ignorant world and now it's been

1797
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,720
destroyed i mean i don't see myself

1798
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,720
saying that but i know they're you know

1799
01:06:39,270 --> 01:06:38,079
who the hell knows what we're dealing

1800
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:39,280
with so

1801
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:40,559
um

1802
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:44,480
and along those lines

1803
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:45,680
i mean yeah

1804
01:06:51,270 --> 01:06:49,039
somebody brings up the possibility

1805
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:51,280
angels and demons and stuff and i i

1806
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:53,119
personally think that's fine i don't

1807
01:06:57,990 --> 01:06:55,119
like using terms we may be dealing with

1808
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:58,000
something in another realm we totally do

1809
01:07:01,910 --> 01:07:00,000
not understand and i know you're open to

1810
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:01,920
that too

1811
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:04,079
well yeah i don't turn them whatever it

1812
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:06,160
is right there's just been so much

1813
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:07,839
written about this by

1814
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:08,640
by

1815
01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:11,760
qualified academics and scientists

1816
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,039
you know

1817
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:15,520
angels and demons and and fairies and

1818
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:17,920
whatever else those are those are

1819
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:19,920
monikers we've put on them

1820
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:22,079
throughout society over over

1821
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:23,359
you know

1822
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:25,920
over man's ex over mankind's existence

1823
01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:27,440
right depending on

1824
01:07:31,829 --> 01:07:29,359
the geography

1825
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:31,839
the location on the uh and the time of

1826
01:07:35,430 --> 01:07:33,280
what was going on

1827
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:35,440
uh in different societies with different

1828
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:36,960
belief structures

1829
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:38,079
um

1830
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:40,079
but could it all really have just been

1831
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:41,039
the same

1832
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,520
over from one existence that's maybe

1833
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,200
parallel to ours

1834
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:49,680
uh that we occasionally get glimpse of

1835
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:52,400
glimpses of that yeah that frightens the

1836
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:53,920
hell out of us

1837
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:55,280
um

1838
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:57,520
if we let it or maybe it intends to

1839
01:08:01,589 --> 01:07:59,119
sometimes i don't know i mean i'm just

1840
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,599
you know when i say things like that

1841
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:03,599
that aren't fact

1842
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,880
based i'm just speculating and i

1843
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,480
it's just

1844
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:10,720
the body of work that's been done on

1845
01:08:15,589 --> 01:08:13,680
this for the decades passed

1846
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:15,599
you know obviously something's going on

1847
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,719
um

1848
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:18,799
apparently we don't know

1849
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,199
all that much about what it is we being

1850
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:23,520
the government and if they do they're

1851
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:24,400
not

1852
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:26,080
that willing to tell us

1853
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:28,480
rather because it's um puts them in a

1854
01:08:30,740 --> 01:08:30,480
bad position as far as

1855
01:08:32,229 --> 01:08:30,750
um

1856
01:08:34,149 --> 01:08:32,239
[Music]

1857
01:08:35,110 --> 01:08:34,159
their inabilities to get their arms

1858
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:35,120
around it

1859
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:38,560
after all this time or they did and they

1860
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,159
fully realize

1861
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:41,920
what it is and what's at stake and what

1862
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:43,839
it could do so i don't know

1863
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:45,440
um yeah i just wanna i just wanna get in

1864
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:47,759
this person who said uh

1865
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:49,040
joe you don't need the government to

1866
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:51,040
know the answers are out there no i

1867
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:52,319
don't need the government to know at all

1868
01:08:56,070 --> 01:08:53,679
i mean i do want to see what they have

1869
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:56,080
data wise video wise anything like that

1870
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:58,159
um the masses need the government to

1871
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,000
tell us that the masses you want the

1872
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:02,159
masses to get interested in this we need

1873
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,640
to show video that is compelling and

1874
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:06,400
there's no doubt in people's mind it's

1875
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,719
amazing technology we do not have that

1876
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:10,560
the masses are not interested in this i

1877
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:12,319
mean they're interested but they're not

1878
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:13,839
interested in the level we are they're

1879
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:15,040
not going to watch a congressional

1880
01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:16,640
hearing it's just not at that level yet

1881
01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:17,359
so

1882
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,040
when i when i talk about the government

1883
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,359
sharing it's for the masses i know lou

1884
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,440
elizano has said disclosure has taken

1885
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,440
place in my opinion it has not taken

1886
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:27,600
place people don't care that obama said

1887
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:29,920
what he did john ratcliffe you know the

1888
01:09:32,829 --> 01:09:31,920
former head of the cia

1889
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:32,839
what

1890
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:36,319
um i forget his name that greer says he

1891
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:37,600
briefed what the heck's the guy's name

1892
01:09:41,669 --> 01:09:39,920
the former head was james woolsey yeah

1893
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,679
so it's like we're not i don't i have

1894
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:43,359
not seen disclosure yet and i don't know

1895
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,560
what it's gonna look like when people

1896
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,159
realize something has been interacting

1897
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:48,480
with us but like i said that's why i

1898
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,229
and and well then one more that gets

1899
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,239
into that's another

1900
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:58,000
and this person's sidebar michael is

1901
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,719
basically saying aliens so ridicule of

1902
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:02,880
others in spirituality is silly nothing

1903
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:05,120
is fact-based i'm not really sure you're

1904
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,719
saying that i'm not really sure if

1905
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:08,239
that's

1906
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:17,830
no i i don't know i don't know what it

1907
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:20,880
is i know that it is it is alien to us

1908
01:10:24,650 --> 01:10:24,320
right uh it appears alien uh to us

1909
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,660
um

1910
01:10:31,030 --> 01:10:26,000
[Music]

1911
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:31,040
it's it's not familiar whatsoever and um

1912
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:32,159
but it tends

1913
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,159
apparently to manifest itself to

1914
01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:36,239
different people in different ways

1915
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:38,640
uh sometimes simultaneously

1916
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,120
apparently as reported

1917
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,920
so anyway um and you yeah

1918
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:45,280
so people know michael's open to all

1919
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,040
possibilities we've discussed every

1920
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,679
possibility positive neutral negative

1921
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:51,120
neither one of us know what we're

1922
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:52,560
dealing with none of us claim to know

1923
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:54,560
what we're dealing with just so

1924
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:57,600
continue so hard sorry

1925
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:59,360
all right so so we'll just keep going

1926
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,120
here so again i thought this was pretty

1927
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:03,600
important designation uh the secretary

1928
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:05,760
of defense coordinating with the

1929
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:07,360
director of national intelligence is

1930
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:08,560
going to

1931
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:11,440
actually identify or designate the

1932
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:13,840
actual line organizations

1933
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:16,159
within the dod and the intelligence

1934
01:11:19,669 --> 01:11:17,199
community

1935
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,679
that possess the right expertise

1936
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:21,280
authorities

1937
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,120
the accesses meaning the security

1938
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,520
clearances and the read-ins and the need

1939
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,880
to know

1940
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:28,719
uh and the right data the systems

1941
01:11:32,950 --> 01:11:30,880
platforms and capabilities to actually

1942
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,960
respond quickly it's what this is saying

1943
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:35,520
and to do field investigations

1944
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:36,480
um

1945
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:40,159
of incidents involving uaup

1946
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:42,719
under the direction of the director of

1947
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,719
the office okay

1948
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:46,320
and field investigations what is what

1949
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:47,920
jumps out at me because that's awesome

1950
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:49,760
basically two years with 50 full-time

1951
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:52,960
employees is what we need times 10

1952
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:55,040
field investigations

1953
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:57,760
yeah well it's my experience and i'm

1954
01:12:01,590 --> 01:12:00,719
sure that it my mileage differs from

1955
01:12:03,990 --> 01:12:01,600
others

1956
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:04,000
or can uh but they've

1957
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,000
they're advocating here

1958
01:12:11,910 --> 01:12:09,280
to the creation of a program office

1959
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:11,920
that is not a department it's not a

1960
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,239
division

1961
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,880
it's not a little corner cubicle down at

1962
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,800
the end of the row here

1963
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:20,400
and the last door in the hallway or

1964
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:23,600
whatever it is a full-blown

1965
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:26,400
gpo or government program office that

1966
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:28,080
comes complete with

1967
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,520
leadership

1968
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,800
staffing

1969
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,640
office space

1970
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:34,320
all the uh

1971
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:37,040
the infrastructure the communications

1972
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:40,159
networking you know everything

1973
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,560
this is setting up a full-blown program

1974
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:44,880
office which is uh to me

1975
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:47,360
is substantial and significant

1976
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:49,840
um and it's different than what atip was

1977
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:52,000
atip was people who were working in

1978
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,600
other jobs and when they had their spare

1979
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,840
time they worked on this the uap task

1980
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,600
force for the most part was the same

1981
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,520
exact thing so this will be like you

1982
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:01,440
said a full-time hopefully full-time

1983
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:03,679
employees like osap had

1984
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:06,080
yeah yeah exactly

1985
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:09,280
so um and it even talks about you know

1986
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:10,640
they've got to have the adequate

1987
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,840
personnel

1988
01:13:16,310 --> 01:13:14,080
with the right expertise and equipment

1989
01:13:18,149 --> 01:13:16,320
transportation and any other resources

1990
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:18,159
necessary to respond rapidly to

1991
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:21,520
incidents or patterns of observations

1992
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,679
involving uaup

1993
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:26,080
and then it goes on and has a section

1994
01:13:31,510 --> 01:13:28,239
here for scientific technological and

1995
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:31,520
operational analysis of the data

1996
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:34,719
again if you're into details uh this

1997
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:37,280
this is definitely got to be pleasing to

1998
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,400
read

1999
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:41,040
it says that the dni will designate

2000
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,640
these organizations

2001
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:44,480
and they'll be primarily responsible for

2002
01:13:48,229 --> 01:13:47,040
the scientific technical and operational

2003
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:48,239
analysis

2004
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:49,920
of this data that's gathered in the

2005
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,550
and tests to include testing of

2006
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:56,239
materials and medical studies and

2007
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:58,480
development of theoretical models

2008
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:00,880
and to better understand and explain

2009
01:14:06,390 --> 01:14:03,360
uaup

2010
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:06,400
and this is really important here

2011
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:08,000
authority because this is where you get

2012
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:09,120
into

2013
01:14:13,270 --> 01:14:11,760
a request from one agency to another to

2014
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,280
share the data with us we're going to

2015
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:15,840
take actions according to the law and

2016
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:17,840
the other agency says

2017
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:19,440
okay and then they don't hear anything

2018
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:21,199
for days weeks months

2019
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,400
um

2020
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,560
just some stonewalling so what they're

2021
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:26,400
saying here is that

2022
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:28,880
that the secretary of defense

2023
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:30,560
and the dni

2024
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:31,920
they're going to issue

2025
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,800
each issue directives as necessary

2026
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:37,199
to ensure that uh each of these

2027
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,520
organizations these line organizations

2028
01:14:43,750 --> 01:14:41,760
the worker bees the people

2029
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:43,760
and their leadership that are down here

2030
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:45,520
carrying out these tasks that are

2031
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:47,600
identified in this document

2032
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,080
that they have the authority

2033
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:52,400
to draw on the special expertise of

2034
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:55,199
persons outside the federal government

2035
01:14:59,110 --> 01:14:57,280
with appropriate security clearances so

2036
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:59,120
this could be

2037
01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:00,159
uh

2038
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:01,920
contractors

2039
01:15:05,430 --> 01:15:03,280
university

2040
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:05,440
research organizations

2041
01:15:08,870 --> 01:15:07,040
like mit

2042
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:08,880
stanford research

2043
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:11,920
you name it um

2044
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:14,080
you know whether it's battelle or or

2045
01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:16,880
aerospace corporation as an ffrdc a

2046
01:15:20,070 --> 01:15:18,159
federally funded research and

2047
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,080
development corporation

2048
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:22,080
they they can go out to academia and

2049
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,480
they can and basically

2050
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:26,800
to to outside the federal government is

2051
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,640
a huge net right

2052
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:30,960
that means everybody else besides the

2053
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:33,280
federal government so you

2054
01:15:41,270 --> 01:15:39,590
it's huge especially if they can get

2055
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:41,280
some of those folks who do not have

2056
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:44,880
clearances read in or class you know

2057
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:47,040
if we can get somebody who does not have

2058
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:48,640
a clearance get them the clearance and

2059
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:50,000
access to the information that's how

2060
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:51,600
we're going to try to hopefully figure

2061
01:15:55,110 --> 01:15:53,520
out what the heck is going on we have

2062
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:55,120
more minds

2063
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:56,640
putting their mind power to work on the

2064
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,159
problem which which you're bringing up

2065
01:16:01,430 --> 01:16:00,000
which is really exciting which i i kind

2066
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:01,440
of overlooked the first time i went

2067
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,709
yeah so again it's um

2068
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:09,199
it's pretty exquisite as far as a

2069
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:10,480
um

2070
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:16,480
in the in the commercial world where big

2071
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:19,440
corporations whether it's your bank

2072
01:16:22,390 --> 01:16:20,400
or your

2073
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:22,400
medical insurance company your local

2074
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:28,470
they are

2075
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,880
handling all this data

2076
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:32,960
and and you're giving them the authority

2077
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:38,630
to use it to the to the best of their

2078
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:40,320
ability to maximize

2079
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:43,199
and to safeguard it right um but i i got

2080
01:16:46,830 --> 01:16:44,960
off track here let me come back to that

2081
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:46,840
a second all right so

2082
01:16:51,590 --> 01:16:49,760
so this i mean everybody can read right

2083
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:51,600
so maybe i won't read so much i'll just

2084
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:53,440
point out what these if you see it in

2085
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:55,199
blue it's because i thought it was

2086
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:56,880
pretty important not that this entire

2087
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:58,400
document isn't but

2088
01:17:02,310 --> 01:16:59,920
um they're talking about the

2089
01:17:03,830 --> 01:17:02,320
availability of this information and

2090
01:17:06,149 --> 01:17:03,840
basically the

2091
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,159
the dod and the dni are saying that

2092
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,159
you're going to ensure that each of

2093
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:10,320
these elements or these offices or

2094
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:11,679
groups or organizations of the

2095
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:14,000
intelligence community that has any data

2096
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:17,440
relating to this uap

2097
01:17:21,669 --> 01:17:20,880
that they make it available immediately

2098
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:21,679
okay

2099
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:24,000
that's pretty big

2100
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,410
um

2101
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:26,640
[Music]

2102
01:17:30,550 --> 01:17:28,840
military and civilian personnel of the

2103
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:30,560
dod

2104
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:31,920
or the intelligence community and can

2105
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:33,760
contractor personnel

2106
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,440
ensure that they have access to

2107
01:17:39,189 --> 01:17:37,280
procedures by which the personnel shall

2108
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:39,199
report incidents or information

2109
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:41,840
including adverse physiological effects

2110
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:44,560
evolving or associated with

2111
01:17:49,030 --> 01:17:46,320
uaup

2112
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:49,040
directly to the office report this

2113
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:52,080
directly to the office again that office

2114
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:53,360
is the office

2115
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:57,280
is the uaup program office

2116
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,760
location tbd

2117
01:18:03,830 --> 01:18:02,400
uh intelligence collection and analysis

2118
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:03,840
plan

2119
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:05,280
um

2120
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:07,120
my colleague and i we i don't think we

2121
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:08,560
could well maybe we could have written a

2122
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:10,000
better one but it probably would have

2123
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:11,679
taken us just equal amount of times it

2124
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:13,040
did chris

2125
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:16,400
but this is really really good um

2126
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,840
they're saying that the dni and the

2127
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:19,520
secretary of defense

2128
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:22,400
they shall they will supervise

2129
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,560
the development and execution of an

2130
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:26,400
intelligence collection and analysis

2131
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:27,520
plan

2132
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:30,400
uh which is a thing it's a real thing

2133
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:33,520
right it's a it's a it's a documented

2134
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:36,400
approach to go after a an intelligence

2135
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:37,520
problem

2136
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:39,040
whether it's using satellites or

2137
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:40,800
submarines or guys on the ground or

2138
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:43,600
whatever right in the traditional sense

2139
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:47,120
all of those activities have a very very

2140
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:48,640
exceedingly well

2141
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:50,480
thought out intelligence collection and

2142
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:52,880
analysis plan and they're calling for no

2143
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:55,840
less than that here

2144
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:58,159
to gain as much knowledge as possible

2145
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:00,080
regarding the technical and operational

2146
01:19:08,149 --> 01:19:03,280
characteristics origins and intentions

2147
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:08,159
of uaup that's pretty big

2148
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:11,600
including the development acquisition

2149
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:13,600
deployment operation of technical

2150
01:19:18,310 --> 01:19:15,920
collection capabilities so those systems

2151
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:18,320
that might need to be built and deployed

2152
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:19,120
to

2153
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:21,280
further detect identify and basically

2154
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:22,719
characterize

2155
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:24,640
these things

2156
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,120
and i i could say i did hear that that

2157
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:29,760
is not a system but technology is being

2158
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:32,560
developed to better

2159
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:35,440
measure and collect information on uap

2160
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:36,800
so

2161
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:39,040
yeah that is going on but which we'll

2162
01:19:44,070 --> 01:19:40,880
get to later funding has still not been

2163
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:44,080
set so funding is a major issue still

2164
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:44,960
yeah

2165
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,800
we've talked about this before

2166
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,800
just don't for a minute think that this

2167
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,719
has been it's like it's like the air

2168
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:52,239
force general and i still haven't found

2169
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:53,040
it

2170
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:54,320
um

2171
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:57,920
apparently told dr j adam heineck

2172
01:20:01,990 --> 01:20:00,320
uh he said you know alan do you really

2173
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:02,000
think that the air force doesn't take

2174
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:05,199
ufos seriously um i wish i could find

2175
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,760
that maybe some enterprising

2176
01:20:11,669 --> 01:20:09,840
person out there could find that

2177
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:11,679
again for me

2178
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:14,480
but uh yeah i you know i've not believed

2179
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:16,719
for a minute that somewhere somebody

2180
01:20:20,790 --> 01:20:18,960
isn't taking this exceedingly seriously

2181
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,800
which goes to the point of people saying

2182
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:22,239
why are we doing this we already have

2183
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,000
all of this data why don't we just get

2184
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:26,000
that data we are reinventing the wheel

2185
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:26,960
here

2186
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:28,880
you know well

2187
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:31,520
it comes down to number one

2188
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:33,120
apparently somebody's shaking the tree

2189
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:35,840
hard enough finally to get congress

2190
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:37,920
to get our elected leaders interested in

2191
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,320
this the degree to what they can share

2192
01:20:44,149 --> 01:20:41,920
with the public

2193
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:44,159
is very highly questionable to me

2194
01:20:47,030 --> 01:20:45,120
without

2195
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:47,040
uh compromising stuff

2196
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:48,719
um

2197
01:20:54,550 --> 01:20:51,920
so we sh we'll see but at least it will

2198
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:54,560
be a comfort if this comes to fruition

2199
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:56,800
and we and there's a lot of progress

2200
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:58,840
along the lines of what's documented

2201
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:00,800
here uh

2202
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:02,719
at least we'll know that there's

2203
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:04,719
somebody's no longer asleep at the wheel

2204
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:05,600
and

2205
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:18,560
i am all for what's going on right now

2206
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:21,840
um as much as i realize we have such a

2207
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:24,159
a very high hill to climb this is great

2208
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:25,520
i mean i've been in this and i know i

2209
01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:26,800
don't know when if you got into this

2210
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:28,159
right after 92 when you had your

2211
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:29,520
sighting but i've been into this since

2212
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,400
96 so to see this going on right now is

2213
01:21:37,030 --> 01:21:34,400
something i never expected and i want to

2214
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:37,040
see what happens i'm not jumping the gun

2215
01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:39,120
saying this is over we got everything

2216
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,480
folks no we're just at the very

2217
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:43,040
beginning but it's encouraging

2218
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:45,440
well what movie was it where where was

2219
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:47,840
it david the android that said uh big

2220
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:49,760
things have little beginnings

2221
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:51,440
um exactly

2222
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:52,239
so

2223
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:53,280
you know

2224
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:55,600
they had to start somewhere and and last

2225
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:56,960
year was it was

2226
01:22:02,629 --> 01:21:59,760
was a sort of a sputtering start

2227
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:02,639
uh maybe a false start in football terms

2228
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:04,000
but um

2229
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:05,920
you know at the very least if this does

2230
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:09,199
nothing else it it certainly conveys

2231
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,480
the conviction

2232
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:12,000
and the interest

2233
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:13,199
um

2234
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,159
and

2235
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:16,480
the intelligence of of

2236
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:18,000
these committees

2237
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:19,760
in the way that they've laid out what

2238
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:21,199
they're looking for

2239
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:22,800
what they expect

2240
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:25,440
and and and from whom they're expecting

2241
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:26,159
it

2242
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:30,639
not we'll see but they're they're

2243
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:33,360
expressing the seriousness of the topic

2244
01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:34,480
to me

2245
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,400
in between the lines so this is

2246
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:38,560
interesting uh because now we see one of

2247
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:40,880
our 20

2248
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:42,400
intelligence

2249
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:44,159
related

2250
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:45,920
agencies

2251
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:48,880
uh we we see that we see nga here called

2252
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:50,400
out the director of the national

2253
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:57,189
is going to be so basically nga is going

2254
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,080
to lead these collection efforts

2255
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:02,639
for the community for the ic

2256
01:23:08,470 --> 01:23:05,600
with respect to uap okay

2257
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:08,480
and it's geospatial intelligence

2258
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,520
um

2259
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,520
that's a that's a

2260
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:13,920
that term there you can google it okay

2261
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,080
so it's sort of a loaded term

2262
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:21,590
in my view it's in very capable hands if

2263
01:23:26,310 --> 01:23:24,480
you think of the different agencies um

2264
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,320
they're not you can go to their websites

2265
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,560
and read what their mission statement is

2266
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:30,880
uh nga provides

2267
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:33,440
mapping and geospatial data

2268
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:36,639
to the government to commercial industry

2269
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,719
to war fighters in the government for in

2270
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:40,800
in the intelligence community primarily

2271
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:41,840
right

2272
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:42,719
um

2273
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:44,480
people might say well how come the nro

2274
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:46,159
is not in charge here because they're

2275
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:48,239
the ones that do the satellites well the

2276
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:49,840
nro really

2277
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,719
they

2278
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:52,320
if you read their charter or mission

2279
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:53,760
statement they design

2280
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:57,280
develop deliver and operate on on orbit

2281
01:24:01,590 --> 01:23:59,600
uh national systems

2282
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:01,600
uh for the government and for our

2283
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:02,960
military

2284
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:05,679
and warfighters okay so this really

2285
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:07,199
needs to be

2286
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,880
where they're putting it

2287
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,800
at the at the nga

2288
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:12,239
all right they're going to lead the

2289
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:13,920
collection efforts and then they're

2290
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,080
going to be required

2291
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:18,480
after no more than 90 days

2292
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:19,600
of the

2293
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:22,159
this becomes law

2294
01:24:25,910 --> 01:24:24,239
and then not less frequency than every

2295
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:25,920
three months or nine days

2296
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:28,560
the director of nga has to brief the

2297
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:31,440
congressional defense committees

2298
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:32,960
okay

2299
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:35,199
uh including the intelligence community

2300
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:36,880
congressional leadership on the

2301
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:38,080
activities

2302
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:39,760
of the director

2303
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:41,679
in this paragraph

2304
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,159
all right what's the science plan

2305
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:46,080
they're going to supervise

2306
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:47,679
the development execution of a science

2307
01:24:50,390 --> 01:24:49,520
plan to develop and test

2308
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:50,400
uh

2309
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:51,600
their theories

2310
01:24:55,030 --> 01:24:53,120
about what's going on

2311
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:55,040
accounting for these characteristics

2312
01:24:58,709 --> 01:24:57,679
performance of

2313
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,719
um

2314
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:00,800
how they exceed known technological

2315
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:02,880
state of the art and science and

2316
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:04,719
as well and then included in the areas

2317
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:06,239
of propulsion

2318
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:09,360
aerodynamic control signatures

2319
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:11,920
structures materials counter measures

2320
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:14,000
weapons electronics and power generation

2321
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:15,440
and

2322
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:16,880
provide

2323
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:19,360
the foundation for potential future

2324
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,679
investments to replicate or otherwise

2325
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:23,440
better understand

2326
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:25,199
such advanced

2327
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:30,629
that's a mouthful

2328
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:32,639
but that is

2329
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:34,000
a not

2330
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:35,760
it's not an insignificant

2331
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:37,120
sentence there

2332
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:38,719
replicate that means they would need to

2333
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,080
speak with people who are in these

2334
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:42,000
programs these alleged programs and

2335
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:43,440
somebody asked they say why is this

2336
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:44,960
going on now why is this language in

2337
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:45,920
there now

2338
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:47,760
if you heard jeremy corbell speak he

2339
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:49,840
said there's a line of people willing to

2340
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:51,199
talk about this who are in these

2341
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:53,120
programs he said it's a very small line

2342
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:54,560
but there is a line and i've heard the

2343
01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:56,400
same thing so

2344
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:58,880
well i don't you know

2345
01:26:01,510 --> 01:26:00,000
that's um

2346
01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,520
if those folks have spoken to the

2347
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,199
members of congress behind the scenes

2348
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:05,040
then that's lighting a fire under their

2349
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:06,480
butt saying

2350
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:07,920
we don't know anything about this and

2351
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:09,920
these programs allegedly exist we got to

2352
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:11,199
get this language in here we need to

2353
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:12,400
find out

2354
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:14,960
well so so i we talked about what the

2355
01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:17,760
question that i suggest that you ask uh

2356
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:19,360
eric davis next time you speak with him

2357
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:21,440
right because i have no doubt that that

2358
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:23,440
anyone that's involved in anything

2359
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:25,199
related to this topic

2360
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:28,560
you know it's like the incident um

2361
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,800
that took place in 98 when uh one of our

2362
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:34,080
satellites

2363
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:36,000
ended up being on the cover of time

2364
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:37,840
magazine because it blew up 38 seconds

2365
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:39,920
39 seconds into launch from cape

2366
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:41,199
canaveral

2367
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,120
we went into sort of a lockdown mode

2368
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:45,120
there for a few minutes

2369
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:47,920
and we everybody the leadership said you

2370
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:49,360
know this is going to be big this is

2371
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:50,719
going to hit the press it was referred

2372
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:52,719
as referred to as the billion dollar

2373
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:54,320
boom

2374
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:55,679
um

2375
01:27:00,149 --> 01:26:57,280
and

2376
01:27:01,910 --> 01:27:00,159
we were told in no uncertain terms

2377
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:01,920
that when you're out in town and people

2378
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:04,320
go hey because there's rumors there's

2379
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,040
rumors in town

2380
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:09,840
whether you're in huntsville or dc or la

2381
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:12,080
or wherever you are there are rumors

2382
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,560
right but you can't if you're associated

2383
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:16,320
with something that occurs that gets in

2384
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:17,520
the press

2385
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:19,760
you can't say oh yeah did you see that

2386
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:22,159
yeah we saw it at work no you you just

2387
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:23,840
don't even touch it

2388
01:27:28,470 --> 01:27:25,520
right um

2389
01:27:30,229 --> 01:27:28,480
you can't so my point is

2390
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:30,239
that um

2391
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:31,760
prudence says

2392
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:32,639
that

2393
01:27:36,229 --> 01:27:34,880
facility security officers all over the

2394
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:36,239
land

2395
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:38,080
that are

2396
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:40,880
managing or part of programs related to

2397
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:42,400
this topic

2398
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:45,120
have probably issued communications and

2399
01:27:52,070 --> 01:27:48,639
email internally or actually spoken

2400
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,080
personally to their staffs to say

2401
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,320
no one is to say a word

2402
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:56,239
about this

2403
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:58,080
you know they have to get their ducks in

2404
01:28:01,990 --> 01:28:00,159
a row first right there there's a

2405
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:02,000
process to follow and it talks about it

2406
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:05,360
later on um but this just does not mean

2407
01:28:11,669 --> 01:28:09,120
that if if joe and mike are on a program

2408
01:28:14,229 --> 01:28:11,679
and we see this in the in on fox news or

2409
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:14,239
cnn that this bill has been passed that

2410
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:16,000
we can suddenly call up the washington

2411
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:18,239
times

2412
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,920
and say hey i'm going to go to the

2413
01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:21,440
here's what i know and i'm going to the

2414
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:22,560
before the

2415
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:24,560
armed forces committee or the senate

2416
01:28:28,709 --> 01:28:26,560
intelligence committees

2417
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:28,719
and talk about this you just you know

2418
01:28:33,910 --> 01:28:30,960
you don't move until you're given

2419
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:33,920
authorization to move or to speak

2420
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:35,120
so um

2421
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:36,800
this is going to be apparently this is

2422
01:28:41,830 --> 01:28:39,040
designed as top cover

2423
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:41,840
to to now do the hard work to do the

2424
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:43,520
dirty work to get down in there with

2425
01:28:48,870 --> 01:28:46,000
these program managers

2426
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:48,880
uh that perhaps have cognizance over

2427
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:52,080
these research programs

2428
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:54,400
and and work out a way

2429
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:56,880
hey what what can you tell us

2430
01:29:02,709 --> 01:28:59,760
what is allowed to be re released what

2431
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:02,719
absolutely cannot and i'm i'm imagining

2432
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:04,320
that's going to be sort of a hard nut to

2433
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:05,600
crack

2434
01:29:08,070 --> 01:29:07,040
without

2435
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:08,080
um

2436
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:08,960
you know

2437
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:11,520
how far is too far kind of thing

2438
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:17,030
and here to me um

2439
01:29:22,229 --> 01:29:19,040
i had spoken to you about this sometime

2440
01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:22,239
last year i know about this

2441
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:23,280
um

2442
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:24,560
this is

2443
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:27,760
priority

2444
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,719
so without getting into the weeds

2445
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:32,560
we support our war fighters our

2446
01:29:37,750 --> 01:29:35,600
combatant commands like us socom and

2447
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:37,760
european command and all the all the

2448
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,760
military around the world

2449
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,520
uh and our government

2450
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:43,679
all of our national systems

2451
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:46,159
uh it's not like you just sit down at

2452
01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,239
you know your home ham radio and you

2453
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:50,239
tune up frequency and you and you start

2454
01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:53,520
listening to whatever um polka music

2455
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:54,880
from

2456
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:57,440
romania or whatever

2457
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:59,120
you have to have

2458
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,320
um

2459
01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:02,880
all of these systems that the government

2460
01:30:08,070 --> 01:30:06,080
has you know spent a king's ransom on

2461
01:30:10,149 --> 01:30:08,080
that protect this nation

2462
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:10,159
and help us sort of see over the horizon

2463
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:13,120
about events in the future

2464
01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:14,960
they all have to be

2465
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:17,440
managed and they are and you can't just

2466
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:18,800
suddenly

2467
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:21,120
stop doing something over here with say

2468
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,520
this satellite and turn it over here to

2469
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:25,440
start doing something else just because

2470
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:27,360
now you do during a crisis but i'm

2471
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:29,360
saying you can't just

2472
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:31,920
monopolize systems

2473
01:30:35,430 --> 01:30:34,000
uh you have to you have to figure out

2474
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:35,440
where this

2475
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:38,560
uh uaup topic

2476
01:30:42,790 --> 01:30:40,800
how how do you collect it what systems

2477
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:42,800
do we already have that that might

2478
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:46,000
collect that collect signals or

2479
01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:48,560
signatures or whatever

2480
01:30:53,270 --> 01:30:51,600
that might be helpful in this research

2481
01:30:54,550 --> 01:30:53,280
what systems do we have that already do

2482
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:54,560
stuff like that

2483
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:57,840
what systems do we have that

2484
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:59,679
might need or do we not have that might

2485
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:01,360
need to be developed and it talks about

2486
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:03,600
developing technologies to go after

2487
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:06,239
stuff like this and then it gets

2488
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,760
without naming the organizations it goes

2489
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:11,760
up into the community

2490
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:13,840
to where it is essentially rack and

2491
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:17,760
stacked with other top priorities

2492
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:20,560
that that do take other things that are

2493
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:22,480
important to this nation

2494
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:24,480
that do

2495
01:31:28,550 --> 01:31:25,600
take

2496
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:28,560
time think of it as subscription time

2497
01:31:33,669 --> 01:31:31,199
or whatever on some of these major

2498
01:31:36,629 --> 01:31:33,679
assets that we operate

2499
01:31:39,229 --> 01:31:36,639
to get this type of collection to get it

2500
01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:39,239
to get it uh documented to get it

2501
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:42,239
prioritized to get it on a list

2502
01:31:46,229 --> 01:31:44,719
and to get it into the system so the

2503
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:46,239
system will automatically start

2504
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:47,760
collecting it for us

2505
01:31:51,430 --> 01:31:48,800
okay

2506
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:51,440
that's got to be take that has to take

2507
01:31:54,149 --> 01:31:52,320
place

2508
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:54,159
and there's a process for it with some

2509
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:57,360
very uh astute people that that run that

2510
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:01,350
and

2511
01:32:04,870 --> 01:32:03,520
i'm trying to talk about it in just very

2512
01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:04,880
basic terms but

2513
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:06,480
um

2514
01:32:08,950 --> 01:32:07,679
you've got to have

2515
01:32:11,669 --> 01:32:08,960
engineers

2516
01:32:13,750 --> 01:32:11,679
and scientists that understand

2517
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:13,760
the nature of what you're trying to

2518
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:14,800
collect

2519
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:17,360
how might it be

2520
01:32:23,030 --> 01:32:20,719
observed or collected

2521
01:32:25,669 --> 01:32:23,040
and so that you can then

2522
01:32:27,510 --> 01:32:25,679
take those assets whether they're

2523
01:32:29,830 --> 01:32:27,520
satellites or

2524
01:32:32,950 --> 01:32:29,840
systems onboard ships or systems on

2525
01:32:35,270 --> 01:32:32,960
board airplanes or ground sensors

2526
01:32:37,189 --> 01:32:35,280
which ones are the best which ones can

2527
01:32:39,430 --> 01:32:37,199
can do that kind of

2528
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:39,440
technical collection to get the data

2529
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:40,400
that we need

2530
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:42,400
to meet the needs of what's in the law

2531
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:43,760
here right

2532
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:46,080
so it'll have to be ranked

2533
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:48,960
and they'll have to figure that out

2534
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:52,320
and then it talks about a a core group

2535
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:55,280
um

2536
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:56,960
now

2537
01:33:02,709 --> 01:32:59,760
i thought this was mildly interesting

2538
01:33:04,149 --> 01:33:02,719
yeah you've got the cia nsa

2539
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:04,159
and and

2540
01:33:08,070 --> 01:33:05,760
the doe

2541
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:08,080
and then air force and space force i

2542
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:10,000
don't know if this was

2543
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:12,400
a slap in the face

2544
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:14,400
by putting the air force in space force

2545
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:19,990
because if you go back and if anybody

2546
01:33:24,310 --> 01:33:22,159
that's spent any time reading the

2547
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:24,320
history of this phenomenon

2548
01:33:28,550 --> 01:33:25,920
and the u.s government

2549
01:33:29,669 --> 01:33:28,560
and the the u.s air force has been

2550
01:33:31,750 --> 01:33:29,679
um

2551
01:33:33,430 --> 01:33:31,760
the primary front-runner the player the

2552
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:33,440
biggest player in this right with

2553
01:33:38,790 --> 01:33:35,440
whether it was project grudge

2554
01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:38,800
or project blue book or whatever it's

2555
01:33:42,070 --> 01:33:40,000
always been

2556
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:42,080
the air force out on the pointy end of

2557
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:43,360
the stick

2558
01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:44,800
um

2559
01:33:48,830 --> 01:33:48,080
in in in coordination with sometime in

2560
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:48,840
the

2561
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:58,560
going on

2562
01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:00,639
but early on it was the air force and

2563
01:34:04,629 --> 01:34:02,800
and very conspicuously they've been

2564
01:34:06,470 --> 01:34:04,639
absent from all these discussions thus

2565
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:06,480
far on capitol hill

2566
01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:07,760
i don't know

2567
01:34:10,629 --> 01:34:09,360
you know they're not in alphabetical

2568
01:34:11,990 --> 01:34:10,639
order

2569
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:12,000
um

2570
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:13,679
maybe there's no

2571
01:34:17,110 --> 01:34:15,120
maybe i'm making something out of

2572
01:34:19,110 --> 01:34:17,120
nothing but anywhere

2573
01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:19,120
where's the navy in there why they

2574
01:34:25,910 --> 01:34:20,800
purposely left out i know people have

2575
01:34:29,910 --> 01:34:28,310
well um

2576
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:29,920
you know and they're gonna be are they

2577
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:31,360
gonna be part of

2578
01:34:35,590 --> 01:34:33,280
part of the office like one

2579
01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:35,600
representative will be will they be part

2580
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:37,600
of the office will they just be

2581
01:34:41,189 --> 01:34:39,440
beholden to the office

2582
01:34:42,550 --> 01:34:41,199
the office will be able to ask those

2583
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:42,560
folks because it says what does it say

2584
01:34:44,870 --> 01:34:43,760
it says

2585
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:44,880
that

2586
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:46,800
representatives

2587
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:48,400
jointly establish a core group within

2588
01:34:53,590 --> 01:34:50,800
the office that shall include

2589
01:34:55,030 --> 01:34:53,600
so they'll be part of the office

2590
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:55,040
well so

2591
01:34:59,830 --> 01:34:57,199
it's i should point out

2592
01:35:02,709 --> 01:34:59,840
anybody that's ever worked at or for any

2593
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:02,719
of these places listed here

2594
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:04,480
the navy is

2595
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:06,880
already uh

2596
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:09,360
very very closely involved

2597
01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:10,480
right okay

2598
01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:12,960
even even at air force locations there

2599
01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:14,719
are navy liaison

2600
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:16,800
officers to coordinate joint forces

2601
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:18,639
operations and things like that

2602
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:22,080
um space force i am almost positive

2603
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:24,719
there's a navy navy contingent for space

2604
01:35:29,990 --> 01:35:27,360
force i know for a fact

2605
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:30,000
that this is staffed by a myriad of

2606
01:35:33,510 --> 01:35:31,199
people

2607
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:33,520
from within government contractors

2608
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:36,960
military services including the navy

2609
01:35:42,229 --> 01:35:39,840
doe has been closely tied at the hip

2610
01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:42,239
with the navy since admiral rickover and

2611
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:44,560
his group came up with the first nuclear

2612
01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:46,320
submarine concept

2613
01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:49,199
back in the late 40s early 50s

2614
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:51,199
and then of course cia

2615
01:35:54,070 --> 01:35:52,320
as well

2616
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,080
works hand in glove with all of the

2617
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:56,400
armed forces branches so why the navy's

2618
01:36:00,310 --> 01:35:57,679
not listed here

2619
01:36:02,149 --> 01:36:00,320
i do not know but the defense

2620
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:02,159
intelligence agency

2621
01:36:04,390 --> 01:36:03,119
um

2622
01:36:07,350 --> 01:36:04,400
you know again

2623
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:07,360
that's an agency that is um

2624
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:09,600
it's staffed by

2625
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:12,159
civilians government civilians

2626
01:36:16,870 --> 01:36:14,960
contractors and military personnel as

2627
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:16,880
well as that nga

2628
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:18,639
so i don't know why they're not

2629
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:21,760
not mentioned specifically

2630
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:23,360
so further down we get into some of the

2631
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:25,600
more mundane things about the reporting

2632
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:27,920
requirements annual reports

2633
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:30,080
uh not later than six months after the

2634
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:32,480
enactment of the law and then annually

2635
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:35,360
every thereafter for four years

2636
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:37,760
and why four years and not 40 or

2637
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:40,719
whatever is you know this is kind of

2638
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:42,960
we'll see how it's going at four years

2639
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:44,480
and then

2640
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:46,320
nothing is forever right things usually

2641
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:48,239
don't survive the first shot of battle

2642
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:50,080
as far as a plan

2643
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:51,920
or a war plan so let's see what happens

2644
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:53,840
here but it's a good start

2645
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:56,159
um

2646
01:37:02,149 --> 01:37:00,000
this gets interesting though where they

2647
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:02,159
talk about what the reports are supposed

2648
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:03,760
to include

2649
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:07,520
all reported uaup events that occurred

2650
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:10,080
during the one year period now i know

2651
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:11,760
you're starting to get your panties in a

2652
01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:13,040
while joe

2653
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,800
uh but hang on so it says all reported

2654
01:37:21,510 --> 01:37:18,560
events that occurred during the one-year

2655
01:37:23,669 --> 01:37:21,520
period all reported

2656
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:23,679
events that occurred during a period

2657
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:26,320
other than that one year period but were

2658
01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:29,760
not included in an earlier report

2659
01:37:37,510 --> 01:37:35,590
an analysis of data and intelligence

2660
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:37,520
received through each reported

2661
01:37:44,310 --> 01:37:41,280
unidentified well uap event

2662
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:44,320
uh an analysis of data relating to

2663
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:46,080
the phenomena collected through these

2664
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:47,440
different

2665
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:50,159
intelligence collection domains

2666
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:51,679
so

2667
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:54,239
we we can deep dive this later but you

2668
01:37:58,229 --> 01:37:56,880
know these are all of the

2669
01:38:01,270 --> 01:37:58,239
the major

2670
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:01,280
uh domains of intelligence collection

2671
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:03,040
human intelligence or spies on the

2672
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:04,320
ground

2673
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:05,360
um

2674
01:38:09,430 --> 01:38:07,520
you know this would be like measurement

2675
01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:09,440
and signals intelligence would be like

2676
01:38:13,750 --> 01:38:12,639
infrared and magnetic anomalies

2677
01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:13,760
radio

2678
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:16,080
radar

2679
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:17,440
beacons

2680
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:19,760
and any other type of communication

2681
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,880
signals

2682
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:22,080
and then

2683
01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:24,480
geospatial intelligence deals with

2684
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:27,280
well look up the meaning of geospatial

2685
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:29,040
the where

2686
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:30,560
and

2687
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:31,840
what fur

2688
01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:33,760
the number of reported

2689
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:34,800
incidents

2690
01:38:40,229 --> 01:38:36,719
of these um

2691
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:40,239
uaup over restricted airspace

2692
01:38:43,910 --> 01:38:41,440
of the united states during one year

2693
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:43,920
period so again this is this is in the

2694
01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:45,920
list of things that have to be reported

2695
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,480
the number of res of

2696
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:50,159
uaup

2697
01:38:54,629 --> 01:38:53,280
identified or detected over our airspace

2698
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:54,639
in the year

2699
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,400
and then an analysis of all of this

2700
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,400
identification of the

2701
01:39:03,910 --> 01:39:02,560
potential aerospace or other threats

2702
01:39:06,229 --> 01:39:03,920
posed

2703
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:06,239
to the united states michael it says uh

2704
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:07,199
over

2705
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:08,560
restricted

2706
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:10,800
air space so if it takes place outside

2707
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:12,400
of that restricted airspace it's not

2708
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:13,760
going to get reported they're just

2709
01:39:17,350 --> 01:39:16,000
focusing on events in restricted

2710
01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:17,360
airspace

2711
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:20,239
well i that's probably in there because

2712
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:22,400
we know that

2713
01:39:27,030 --> 01:39:24,880
restricted airspace

2714
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:27,040
means controlled typically controlled

2715
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:28,159
airspace

2716
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:29,920
if it's controlled

2717
01:39:34,709 --> 01:39:32,080
then it means that if something strange

2718
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:34,719
happens something gets set into motion

2719
01:39:39,669 --> 01:39:36,880
and so there will be logs and records

2720
01:39:42,149 --> 01:39:39,679
and radar tracks and

2721
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,159
you know ground sensor data or whatever

2722
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:44,400
the case may be

2723
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:45,520
so

2724
01:39:50,390 --> 01:39:48,239
hovering over

2725
01:39:52,870 --> 01:39:50,400
los alamos national labs and then it

2726
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:52,880
scoots off to the north

2727
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:55,440
uh going five miles a second

2728
01:40:00,070 --> 01:39:58,639
it ends up you know 400 miles away

2729
01:40:01,270 --> 01:40:00,080
does that mean that they stopped being

2730
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:01,280
interested in it

2731
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:03,760
just because it left no it means you

2732
01:40:06,709 --> 01:40:04,800
know that would be where they would

2733
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:06,719
start they'd start with los alamos and

2734
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:08,320
or whatever sensors were there i'm just

2735
01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:11,360
giving you an example a hypothetical

2736
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:13,360
but um

2737
01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:15,280
i mean you think about it

2738
01:40:19,030 --> 01:40:17,280
if there's a guy in your yard you know i

2739
01:40:21,910 --> 01:40:19,040
mean we'll go down this path later if we

2740
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:21,920
have to but just because you know a guy

2741
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,679
comes in your house and ransacks your

2742
01:40:27,189 --> 01:40:25,520
home steals your wallet and he's out in

2743
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:27,199
the front yard and you go running out

2744
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:28,719
the front door then he takes off across

2745
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:30,080
the street

2746
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,800
does that stop your

2747
01:40:35,430 --> 01:40:34,320
your interest

2748
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:35,440
right

2749
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:41,030
uh an assessment of any activity

2750
01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:42,960
that can be attributed to one or more

2751
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:45,760
adversarial foreign governments

2752
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:46,639
um

2753
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,080
including identification of any

2754
01:40:53,030 --> 01:40:50,400
incidents or patterns regarding these

2755
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:53,040
objects that indicate a potential

2756
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:54,800
adversarial government may have achieved

2757
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:58,239
a breakthrough aerospace capability

2758
01:41:01,750 --> 01:40:59,760
that's pretty big

2759
01:41:03,750 --> 01:41:01,760
but we recognize all of this language

2760
01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:03,760
from stuff that's been parroted to us

2761
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:05,679
over the last couple of years by

2762
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,320
you know elizondo and melon

2763
01:41:13,270 --> 01:41:10,719
this is all very common sense

2764
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:13,280
intelligence and defense related

2765
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:15,199
uh thinking here

2766
01:41:19,990 --> 01:41:16,840
that's been put into this

2767
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:20,000
document including an update on efforts

2768
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:22,000
underway

2769
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:24,480
this is pretty big

2770
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:26,080
they want an update on any efforts

2771
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:28,320
underway on the ability to capture or

2772
01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:29,520
exploit

2773
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:35,270
yeah that's the big for me that's the

2774
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:37,600
big standout once that language got in

2775
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,550
because if we do have these craft

2776
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:46,960
and they can prove they're not hours and

2777
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:49,360
not made here that's game over as far as

2778
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:51,119
we're dealing with something unknown uh

2779
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:52,800
we can go and we can go from there every

2780
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:54,239
other branch leads off from there and

2781
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:55,280
then

2782
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:57,920
you know pandora's box is open so yeah

2783
01:42:02,790 --> 01:41:59,840
the fact that that language is in here

2784
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:02,800
and we're talking about it it's just

2785
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,040
just something totally unexpected for me

2786
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:07,440
at this point

2787
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:09,199
yeah um

2788
01:42:12,870 --> 01:42:10,960
back in the middle 2000s when i was

2789
01:42:14,310 --> 01:42:12,880
drawing that thing on my whiteboard to

2790
01:42:15,910 --> 01:42:14,320
my colleagues trying to see if they knew

2791
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:15,920
what i might have seen

2792
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:22,070
i had no

2793
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:24,080
no expectation whatsoever that this was

2794
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:25,920
was ever gonna

2795
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:34,310
so this is pretty amazing

2796
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:35,990
and then including the number of

2797
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:42,950
that are associated with nuclear assets

2798
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:44,800
including strategic nuclear weapons

2799
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:47,119
nuclear-powered ships and submarines

2800
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:48,880
was that in last year's language the

2801
01:42:54,229 --> 01:42:52,560
nuclear aspect i forgot if it was or not

2802
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:54,239
i don't remember

2803
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:58,080
every time i see this i think of um

2804
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:00,000
ingo swann

2805
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:05,750
when their cia program manager

2806
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:07,760
was asking him about

2807
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:12,080
ufos and uh added sri and

2808
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:13,679
something about um

2809
01:43:19,669 --> 01:43:15,040
well you didn't ask me about the one

2810
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:22,550
i wish ingo's still alive

2811
01:43:26,229 --> 01:43:24,960
well i mean you know if if the likes of

2812
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:26,239
um

2813
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:31,679
and that crew are willing to stand

2814
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:33,440
behind i don't know how strongly they

2815
01:43:36,830 --> 01:43:36,000
stand behind this statement but this guy

2816
01:43:40,550 --> 01:43:36,840
who was

2817
01:43:43,030 --> 01:43:40,560
supposedly his cover name was axelrod

2818
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:44,470
you know i didn't just make up what i

2819
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:47,520
just said right and i i don't

2820
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:49,360
imagine that ingo did either back in the

2821
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:50,800
day when they were doing this remote

2822
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:53,840
viewing stuff uh and and kate green who

2823
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:56,239
was that must have been pretty stunning

2824
01:43:59,270 --> 01:43:58,000
but kate green i know kick green would

2825
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:59,280
just say and i'm sure hal put off what

2826
01:44:03,189 --> 01:44:01,360
to say too you know the amazing remote

2827
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:03,199
viewing related to ufos unless we have

2828
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:05,520
any evidence to back it up in feedback

2829
01:44:09,189 --> 01:44:07,520
it's just a story which is which is the

2830
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:09,199
case with that kind of remote viewing

2831
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:10,560
but they may have been able to back it

2832
01:44:14,149 --> 01:44:12,320
up with whatever satellite images any

2833
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:14,159
kind of other intel

2834
01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:15,840
they had access to unfortunately like

2835
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:18,159
for us we don't have access to that but

2836
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,800
yeah ingo um for folks who don't know in

2837
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:22,320
the book penetration he talks about

2838
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:24,159
being taken

2839
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:26,880
he was hired to be doing remote viewing

2840
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,960
and by this guy axelrod who was the

2841
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,480
program manager and he went to this

2842
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,560
underground facility i think it was in

2843
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:34,400
dc i think ingo believes it was

2844
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:35,760
somewhere else but from what i heard

2845
01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:37,920
they drove around in circles and he was

2846
01:44:41,669 --> 01:44:40,239
in dc trying to throw him off but yeah

2847
01:44:45,590 --> 01:44:41,679
that's a great book penetration if

2848
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:47,030
yeah so i mean

2849
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:49,520
not the same axle rod in skin walkers at

2850
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:50,719
the pentagon

2851
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:53,760
that axle rod is j stratton who headed

2852
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:55,840
up the uap task force no doubt about

2853
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:57,840
that

2854
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:59,520
um

2855
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:02,000
yeah i'm sure i'm sure that uh because

2856
01:45:07,270 --> 01:45:03,920
there's already been some

2857
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:07,280
supposed statements from naval personnel

2858
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:08,239
about

2859
01:45:12,550 --> 01:45:10,800
um acoustic events that were detected

2860
01:45:14,310 --> 01:45:12,560
sonar events

2861
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:14,320
where they had

2862
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:17,199
underwater fast movers going hundreds of

2863
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:19,920
knots underwater something that would be

2864
01:45:21,660 --> 01:45:21,280
you would think

2865
01:45:23,030 --> 01:45:21,670
um

2866
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:23,040
[Music]

2867
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:24,719
impossible

2868
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:26,159
because of the

2869
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:27,760
the friction of the water you know the

2870
01:45:33,669 --> 01:45:31,040
density of water right um but

2871
01:45:36,070 --> 01:45:33,679
you know to to to say something like

2872
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:36,080
well you didn't ask me about the the ufo

2873
01:45:40,709 --> 01:45:38,159
or whatever that's tailing one of our

2874
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:40,719
nuclear submarines underwater i'm sure

2875
01:45:43,350 --> 01:45:41,920
the guys on the submarine would have

2876
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:43,360
been interested to know something like

2877
01:45:47,189 --> 01:45:44,639
that

2878
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:47,199
yeah i'm sure um

2879
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:49,760
so anyway um i i find that a little

2880
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:51,679
unnerving if that's if that has been

2881
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,440
happening but it wouldn't surprise me

2882
01:45:57,669 --> 01:45:55,440
since they're all the time reported

2883
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:57,679
going back decades of hanging out around

2884
01:46:01,590 --> 01:45:58,560
our

2885
01:46:03,510 --> 01:46:01,600
nuclear facilities like hanford and

2886
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:03,520
oak ridge and los alamos and other

2887
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:05,119
places

2888
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:06,320
um

2889
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:08,480
okay so

2890
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:09,280
that

2891
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:11,440
yeah this paragraph coming up is is

2892
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:13,679
important you might have

2893
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:15,199
is it the one before this no we're

2894
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:17,520
talking about moving

2895
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:20,480
well yeah so the national important

2896
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:23,440
well it is hence the blue um

2897
01:46:27,830 --> 01:46:25,199
that i almost skipped right over it the

2898
01:46:29,189 --> 01:46:27,840
national nuclear security

2899
01:46:31,030 --> 01:46:29,199
administration

2900
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:31,040
they are responsible for the secure

2901
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:33,199
storage of

2902
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:34,800
our weapons grade

2903
01:46:37,590 --> 01:46:36,000
material

2904
01:46:39,910 --> 01:46:37,600
our reactor

2905
01:46:40,870 --> 01:46:39,920
power processing our power production

2906
01:46:43,270 --> 01:46:40,880
grade

2907
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:43,280
nuclear material both from the

2908
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:44,800
manufacturing

2909
01:46:51,270 --> 01:46:47,600
transportation and security all the way

2910
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:51,280
to the plant or all the way to the uh

2911
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:53,520
to the storage site once

2912
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:55,520
for instance the rods

2913
01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:58,320
uh are spent and have to be and the

2914
01:47:02,390 --> 01:47:00,560
reactor has to be refueled

2915
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:02,400
so they sort of have

2916
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:04,400
an end to end responsibility for all of

2917
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:06,159
this and it's

2918
01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:07,679
it's

2919
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:10,080
falling under there under their hat

2920
01:47:14,550 --> 01:47:12,800
to also report incidents which they have

2921
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:14,560
sort of been a black hole

2922
01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:16,639
everybody for decades has spent time

2923
01:47:21,990 --> 01:47:20,080
researching and sending foia requests

2924
01:47:27,270 --> 01:47:22,000
you know into the government for air

2925
01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:27,280
force files and cia files on on ufos uap

2926
01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:29,119
um

2927
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:31,760
i'm not sure if even if the focus had

2928
01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:33,520
been turned entirely to the

2929
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:35,679
to the department of energy

2930
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:38,159
nuclear regulatory commission or

2931
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:39,280
uh

2932
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:41,520
the nuclear national nuclear security

2933
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:43,679
administration how much information

2934
01:47:46,950 --> 01:47:45,440
would have been forthcoming anyway

2935
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:46,960
because

2936
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:48,400
i'm sorry go ahead

2937
01:47:53,189 --> 01:47:51,360
well just because of the magnitude

2938
01:47:55,590 --> 01:47:53,199
um

2939
01:47:56,550 --> 01:47:55,600
because of the sensitivity of the topic

2940
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:56,560
matter

2941
01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:58,800
right going all the way back

2942
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:01,520
to to when to before the first atomic

2943
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,960
bomb was even developed and tested

2944
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:06,800
the secrecy

2945
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:13,109
right now it apparently is the most

2946
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:16,000
potentially awesome

2947
01:48:20,950 --> 01:48:18,400
technology that we have on this planet

2948
01:48:22,149 --> 01:48:20,960
potentially according to what's publicly

2949
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:22,159
known right

2950
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:25,440
and uh because of its awesome capability

2951
01:48:29,189 --> 01:48:26,560
both for

2952
01:48:29,780 --> 01:48:29,199
productive and destructive purposes

2953
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:29,790
it has been

2954
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:31,040
[Music]

2955
01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:33,280
very very tightly controlled

2956
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:35,360
for very obvious reasons

2957
01:48:41,189 --> 01:48:37,199
so

2958
01:48:43,350 --> 01:48:41,199
interview with lou i told him that i had

2959
01:48:45,109 --> 01:48:43,360
a source that told me when you know when

2960
01:48:49,430 --> 01:48:45,119
nuclear

2961
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:49,440
weapons is trans transported or stored

2962
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:51,199
or anything like that that's what

2963
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:53,040
attracts uap and then there's a russian

2964
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:54,320
general who said you know they were

2965
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:57,440
baiting ufos by

2966
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:00,400
even even the planning of any of that

2967
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:02,639
would would bait ufos which is amazing

2968
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:04,880
and if that's really true that's just

2969
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:06,639
one of the biggest pieces of information

2970
01:49:09,830 --> 01:49:09,119
we can basically get you up uap to show

2971
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:09,840
up

2972
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:18,470
well um

2973
01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,480
you agree

2974
01:49:24,390 --> 01:49:22,320
well i guess i agree

2975
01:49:27,430 --> 01:49:24,400
if that is there if that's the main

2976
01:49:28,709 --> 01:49:27,440
attraction that's the crowd pleaser

2977
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:28,719
to them

2978
01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:34,629
then that sort of makes

2979
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:36,800
makes sense to me right

2980
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:38,800
you you go back to

2981
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:41,199
gosh there's so many but i mean even out

2982
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:43,119
at um

2983
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:45,679
in albuquerque that the the weapons

2984
01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:47,520
storage areas out there

2985
01:49:50,470 --> 01:49:48,719
years ago

2986
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:50,480
you know there were a lot of interesting

2987
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:52,480
things apparently going on out there

2988
01:49:59,510 --> 01:49:55,280
with sightings and

2989
01:50:03,030 --> 01:50:01,270
i would love to know what their interest

2990
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:03,040
is in all of this

2991
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:05,040
i'm not going to speculate on what it is

2992
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,990
if i was going to develop a plan to try

2993
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:11,440
to

2994
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:13,520
draw them in

2995
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:14,400
um

2996
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:17,040
that's probably the avenue i would take

2997
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:18,800
and just one one side

2998
01:50:21,589 --> 01:50:20,320
side story i don't know if

2999
01:50:23,910 --> 01:50:21,599
i don't know if you you know the story

3000
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:23,920
about lawrence i think it was lawrence

3001
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:26,639
livermore where uri geller showed up and

3002
01:50:29,589 --> 01:50:28,159
then

3003
01:50:31,189 --> 01:50:29,599
some of the scientists when they went

3004
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:31,199
home started having

3005
01:50:36,149 --> 01:50:34,000
poltergeist-like effects in their homes

3006
01:50:36,950 --> 01:50:36,159
the wife and the guy the husband and

3007
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:36,960
wife

3008
01:50:41,830 --> 01:50:40,239
seeing really weird phenomena in their

3009
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:41,840
in their bedroom a little miniature

3010
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:44,080
flying saucer or crow standing on the

3011
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:45,360
end of the bed so there's really some

3012
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:47,119
weird connection

3013
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:48,800
that people want to read the story annie

3014
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:51,199
jacobson talks about it in phenomena

3015
01:50:55,270 --> 01:50:53,440
hal put off has also spoken about it's

3016
01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:55,280
really weird story

3017
01:51:02,070 --> 01:50:58,400
uh i think kit green was involved too

3018
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,080
yeah i i think uh dr gary nolan is on to

3019
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:04,239
something uh with this

3020
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:05,280
um

3021
01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:08,400
the the immunological

3022
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,239
effects

3023
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:12,960
relationship uh sort of how a disease

3024
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:14,239
spreads

3025
01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:16,800
right that's that's the path that one of

3026
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:18,719
the paths he's pursuing

3027
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:20,400
in how these people who have these

3028
01:51:23,669 --> 01:51:21,920
encounters

3029
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:23,679
when they go back home

3030
01:51:27,589 --> 01:51:25,520
these mysterious illnesses pop up in

3031
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:27,599
their bodies um

3032
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:30,560
then their children start having poultry

3033
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:32,639
things start flying off the walls

3034
01:51:37,910 --> 01:51:35,280
then your children go off to college

3035
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:37,920
and at their at their you know apartment

3036
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:39,679
or flat wherever they are in their

3037
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:41,599
college town weird things start

3038
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:43,040
happening there

3039
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:44,800
uh and they weren't even related they

3040
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:47,040
never went to this site

3041
01:51:51,350 --> 01:51:49,360
uh their dad or their mom did you know

3042
01:51:53,430 --> 01:51:51,360
but how this stuff it's almost like they

3043
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:53,440
contracted something

3044
01:51:57,030 --> 01:51:55,440
uh this this what they call it the

3045
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:57,040
hitchhiker effect

3046
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:59,040
and i'm the jury's obviously still out

3047
01:52:03,350 --> 01:52:01,360
on that right they're still trying to

3048
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:03,360
as far as we know they don't know why

3049
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:04,639
that occurs

3050
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:06,800
yeah and and colin keller talked about

3051
01:52:10,070 --> 01:52:08,159
it how they thought it was it was kind

3052
01:52:12,310 --> 01:52:10,080
of like a contagious

3053
01:52:13,510 --> 01:52:12,320
agent where it spreads and there's a

3054
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:13,520
book there's another book out there i

3055
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:15,280
think it's called contagion it's related

3056
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:17,840
to poltergeists um it came out before

3057
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:20,000
skinwalkers at the pentagon and i've

3058
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:21,679
thought if that's the case what is this

3059
01:52:24,550 --> 01:52:23,360
intelligence is it purposely trying to

3060
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,560
spread

3061
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:26,400
you know through through engaging with

3062
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:27,599
us and i and i

3063
01:52:31,990 --> 01:52:30,000
i don't i don't have any doubts that the

3064
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:32,000
skin the hitchhiker effect happens

3065
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:33,360
there's so many people michael it's like

3066
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:35,920
is everybody lying between eric davis

3067
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:37,199
between

3068
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:39,599
jim lokatsky talked about it george

3069
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:40,480
knapp

3070
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:43,199
uh the five dia folks who were reported

3071
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:45,679
by nap lakatsky and kelleher uh who went

3072
01:52:48,870 --> 01:52:47,360
to skinwalker ranch the guy who was in

3073
01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:48,880
oregon his daughter take it home took it

3074
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:50,800
home to the east coast there's so many

3075
01:52:54,070 --> 01:52:52,960
people is everybody lying you know it's

3076
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:54,080
like and that's not something you're

3077
01:52:57,589 --> 01:52:56,000
gonna lie about that's not good for your

3078
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:57,599
reputation if you're talking about

3079
01:53:02,070 --> 01:52:59,920
shadow beings hovering above your bed or

3080
01:53:03,990 --> 01:53:02,080
poltergeist-like activity occurring in

3081
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:04,000
your house that's not good for your

3082
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:05,520
career so for people to say they're

3083
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:08,000
lying it makes absolutely no sense to me

3084
01:53:12,229 --> 01:53:10,080
so i think that's a serious issue and if

3085
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:12,239
it's really occurring as i've spoken to

3086
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:13,520
with a friend it's probably one of the

3087
01:53:18,870 --> 01:53:16,159
most important aspects of the phenomenon

3088
01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:18,880
well i i put another uh level of

3089
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:21,119
importance on it it's coming from people

3090
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:23,360
that are cleared professionals

3091
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:25,599
that have worked in this industry or

3092
01:53:30,709 --> 01:53:28,080
this domain in the in the communities

3093
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:30,719
either defense or intelligence or both

3094
01:53:34,390 --> 01:53:32,480
for a career

3095
01:53:36,629 --> 01:53:34,400
that have their

3096
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:36,639
professional livelihoods

3097
01:53:41,669 --> 01:53:38,560
and reputations at stake

3098
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:41,679
for having said things like that and and

3099
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:43,760
put and you know been quoted and or

3100
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:45,040
written books

3101
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:47,199
you know why would they lie

3102
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:49,280
um

3103
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:50,800
right because

3104
01:53:55,430 --> 01:53:52,639
in the world in which we're talking

3105
01:53:59,270 --> 01:53:55,440
about credibility

3106
01:54:01,750 --> 01:53:59,280
and seriousness and uh believability

3107
01:54:02,470 --> 01:54:01,760
and compatibility

3108
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:02,480
and

3109
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:06,000
being being a consummate professional

3110
01:54:10,629 --> 01:54:06,840
is

3111
01:54:13,109 --> 01:54:10,639
right

3112
01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:13,119
not only your technical acumen your

3113
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:15,920
expertise and your ability to

3114
01:54:21,910 --> 01:54:18,800
uh to to noodle things through that are

3115
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:21,920
often exceedingly complex but then to

3116
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,400
communicate the so what

3117
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:26,880
of what you've what you've analyzed

3118
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:29,360
uh to the leadership

3119
01:54:33,990 --> 01:54:31,520
for whom you work

3120
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,000
and and they're serving

3121
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:36,800
either the nation or some some customer

3122
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:38,719
themselves and have to report something

3123
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:41,199
up all of that is in a chain

3124
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:43,440
of veracity

3125
01:54:47,830 --> 01:54:46,560
and uh authenticity

3126
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:47,840
and so

3127
01:54:53,750 --> 01:54:51,280
when people of that ilk

3128
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:53,760
are making claims like this i sit up and

3129
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:56,000
listen

3130
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:57,920
whether it's in skinwalkers at the

3131
01:55:03,270 --> 01:54:59,119
pentagon

3132
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:03,280
or colin kelleher or gary nolan

3133
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:06,480
hal put off eric davis kit green and and

3134
01:55:10,870 --> 01:55:08,960
that's pretty much you know

3135
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:10,880
um

3136
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:13,920
to me that's enough right there to say

3137
01:55:17,830 --> 01:55:16,000
there's something strange going on here

3138
01:55:19,669 --> 01:55:17,840
and somebody somewhere knows way more

3139
01:55:21,510 --> 01:55:19,679
about it than they're saying and i don't

3140
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:21,520
i don't think it's all one big psyop to

3141
01:55:24,390 --> 01:55:23,040
trick us into something i know people

3142
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:24,400
i've kept my mind open to all

3143
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:26,239
possibilities eric weinstein says you

3144
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:27,679
know it's either

3145
01:55:31,830 --> 01:55:29,760
non it's either something unknown or

3146
01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:31,840
it's a psy up and i'll keep my mind open

3147
01:55:35,109 --> 01:55:33,440
on messiah but i don't think that's

3148
01:55:36,550 --> 01:55:35,119
what's going on and

3149
01:55:38,629 --> 01:55:36,560
so continue because i don't want to keep

3150
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:38,639
you here for four hours but i'm really

3151
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:40,960
it's great that you're giving us all

3152
01:55:44,149 --> 01:55:42,639
this time so i appreciate it because

3153
01:55:45,589 --> 01:55:44,159
this is well i mean i'm sure people are

3154
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:45,599
probably getting tired of me droning on

3155
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:47,280
and on um

3156
01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:50,639
no it's it's fine it's good

3157
01:55:56,229 --> 01:55:53,520
so so here the good news here is that uh

3158
01:55:57,830 --> 01:55:56,239
although not highlighted the nrc has

3159
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:57,840
been called out so they're they're

3160
01:56:03,189 --> 01:56:00,960
running the gamut right of every every

3161
01:56:05,109 --> 01:56:03,199
agency that you ever wondered about

3162
01:56:07,270 --> 01:56:05,119
their interest in this topic they've

3163
01:56:09,189 --> 01:56:07,280
called them out and they've involved

3164
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:09,199
them

3165
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:11,599
to include uh nuclear

3166
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:14,719
power stations fuel storage sites and

3167
01:56:21,669 --> 01:56:16,880
other sites and facilities regulated by

3168
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:23,830
they they even get specific about the

3169
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:27,440
form in the format of the report

3170
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:28,880
it's going to be submitted in an

3171
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:31,119
unclassified form but may include a

3172
01:56:36,870 --> 01:56:33,360
classified annex

3173
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:39,189
if it's unclassified

3174
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:41,199
there is a big push in the government at

3175
01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:44,080
least overtly or outwardly to

3176
01:56:47,830 --> 01:56:46,159
try to get a handle on this what's

3177
01:56:49,270 --> 01:56:47,840
referred to as over classification of

3178
01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:49,280
things

3179
01:56:53,189 --> 01:56:51,920
that's that's a really hard problem for

3180
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:53,199
the government

3181
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:56,800
because we can't tell our our population

3182
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:58,560
without also telling our adversaries

3183
01:57:02,149 --> 01:57:00,159
whatever it is we're going to unclassify

3184
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:02,159
or declassify

3185
01:57:06,390 --> 01:57:04,560
so that's not that's not that's a pretty

3186
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:06,400
steep hill to climb

3187
01:57:11,350 --> 01:57:08,880
um but nonetheless it is written in the

3188
01:57:14,070 --> 01:57:11,360
law an unclassified form and a

3189
01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:14,080
classified annex

3190
01:57:16,629 --> 01:57:15,440
i could live with that

3191
01:57:18,229 --> 01:57:16,639
because there i don't believe that

3192
01:57:19,510 --> 01:57:18,239
everybody has a need to know everything

3193
01:57:22,149 --> 01:57:19,520
i believe that there are some things

3194
01:57:24,390 --> 01:57:22,159
that are sacrosanct and intelligence is

3195
01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:24,400
is collected for a reason

3196
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:27,280
um and you and it shouldn't be

3197
01:57:31,270 --> 01:57:28,719
divulged

3198
01:57:33,830 --> 01:57:31,280
unless the enemy finds out right or

3199
01:57:35,589 --> 01:57:33,840
potential enemy yeah so anyway in the

3200
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:35,599
perfect world we don't have enemies and

3201
01:57:39,430 --> 01:57:37,520
all this information can be shared and

3202
01:57:41,030 --> 01:57:39,440
we don't turn things into weapons but

3203
01:57:42,709 --> 01:57:41,040
obviously that's not the world we live

3204
01:57:44,550 --> 01:57:42,719
in so we have to have a balance and i

3205
01:57:47,189 --> 01:57:44,560
understand people are like michael's

3206
01:57:49,030 --> 01:57:47,199
against disclosure but

3207
01:57:50,870 --> 01:57:49,040
uh just the world we live in right now

3208
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:50,880
um so

3209
01:57:55,669 --> 01:57:53,280
no i i mean you know as we'll just uh go

3210
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:55,679
ahead and shoot the horse right now um

3211
01:57:57,750 --> 01:57:57,040
on that topic

3212
01:58:00,950 --> 01:57:57,760
so

3213
01:58:02,310 --> 01:58:00,960
the deal is right and you know i and i

3214
01:58:03,830 --> 01:58:02,320
won't spend much time on this but i'll

3215
01:58:05,189 --> 01:58:03,840
just come circle back to it because you

3216
01:58:06,550 --> 01:58:05,199
and i have talked about it

3217
01:58:08,790 --> 01:58:06,560
in the 80s

3218
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:08,800
i tried to find the edition and it's out

3219
01:58:11,350 --> 01:58:09,599
there

3220
01:58:12,629 --> 01:58:11,360
in popular mechanics

3221
01:58:14,950 --> 01:58:12,639
magazine

3222
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:14,960
there's an article about how every

3223
01:58:17,350 --> 01:58:16,400
if not every home

3224
01:58:19,189 --> 01:58:17,360
every

3225
01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:19,199
subdivision or community of a thousand

3226
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:21,760
homes or 5 000 homes

3227
01:58:25,750 --> 01:58:23,679
would someday have

3228
01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:25,760
would be nuclear powered it's clean it

3229
01:58:29,669 --> 01:58:27,360
would be safe

3230
01:58:31,430 --> 01:58:29,679
and they would be small compact reactors

3231
01:58:34,070 --> 01:58:31,440
where do we find those already on

3232
01:58:36,070 --> 01:58:34,080
submarines and on spacecraft on

3233
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:36,080
satellites that we send out into the

3234
01:58:39,430 --> 01:58:37,679
into the solar system

3235
01:58:40,950 --> 01:58:39,440
uh they get so far beyond the sun that

3236
01:58:43,910 --> 01:58:40,960
they have to have another means of power

3237
01:58:45,750 --> 01:58:43,920
besides solar and batteries so they put

3238
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:45,760
little nuclear reactors on them

3239
01:58:50,550 --> 01:58:48,000
so they have the technology to do this

3240
01:58:52,390 --> 01:58:50,560
but this envisioned in the year

3241
01:58:54,950 --> 01:58:52,400
20x i forget

3242
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:54,960
it was 1980 something when i read this

3243
01:58:57,750 --> 01:58:56,400
that one of these embedded nuclear

3244
01:58:59,189 --> 01:58:57,760
reactors would be in the ground in every

3245
01:59:00,870 --> 01:58:59,199
community and it would power your

3246
01:59:02,709 --> 01:59:00,880
residential neighborhood and the small

3247
01:59:04,950 --> 01:59:02,719
community that you lived in and five

3248
01:59:06,870 --> 01:59:04,960
miles away would be another one and five

3249
01:59:08,390 --> 01:59:06,880
miles away be another one and it that's

3250
01:59:09,510 --> 01:59:08,400
that was the way we would power our

3251
01:59:11,990 --> 01:59:09,520
country

3252
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:12,000
uh or the world right

3253
01:59:15,030 --> 01:59:12,800
um

3254
01:59:17,109 --> 01:59:15,040
but now let's let's take all the cry and

3255
01:59:18,790 --> 01:59:17,119
the hue uh to

3256
01:59:21,669 --> 01:59:18,800
to release all this information because

3257
01:59:23,910 --> 01:59:21,679
we can we can handle the truth

3258
01:59:26,149 --> 01:59:23,920
and release this technology

3259
01:59:28,870 --> 01:59:26,159
right so we can free the world

3260
01:59:32,390 --> 01:59:28,880
and and all of the all of the

3261
01:59:35,109 --> 01:59:32,400
good virtuous things that we all hope

3262
01:59:37,669 --> 01:59:35,119
for in in a future or our children's

3263
01:59:41,350 --> 01:59:37,679
future that would come from

3264
01:59:44,070 --> 01:59:41,360
the harnessing of this supposed

3265
01:59:47,430 --> 01:59:44,080
technology that makes these things fly

3266
01:59:49,589 --> 01:59:47,440
without any noise without any exhaust

3267
01:59:51,350 --> 01:59:49,599
that makes them hover in mid-air

3268
01:59:54,149 --> 01:59:51,360
anti-gravity whatever you want to call

3269
01:59:56,070 --> 01:59:54,159
it so let's say we've got that

3270
01:59:57,270 --> 01:59:56,080
in a bottle

3271
01:59:59,830 --> 01:59:57,280
okay

3272
02:00:01,430 --> 01:59:59,840
apply that same analogy to of the

3273
02:00:03,430 --> 02:00:01,440
nuclear power plant in every

3274
02:00:05,430 --> 02:00:03,440
neighborhood to power our homes free

3275
02:00:06,709 --> 02:00:05,440
energy essentially

3276
02:00:09,270 --> 02:00:06,719
um

3277
02:00:11,750 --> 02:00:09,280
well what's the big threat nowadays

3278
02:00:14,310 --> 02:00:11,760
what are we doing with iran we have just

3279
02:00:16,550 --> 02:00:14,320
agreed that we're going to use all and

3280
02:00:18,629 --> 02:00:16,560
this was unprecedented

3281
02:00:21,830 --> 02:00:18,639
that we're going to use all elements of

3282
02:00:24,709 --> 02:00:21,840
our national power to ensure that

3283
02:00:26,070 --> 02:00:24,719
iran does not go nuclear

3284
02:00:27,189 --> 02:00:26,080
and i don't know how many people caught

3285
02:00:31,350 --> 02:00:27,199
that

3286
02:00:33,990 --> 02:00:31,360
you know the end of somewhere on the end

3287
02:00:35,990 --> 02:00:34,000
of biden's trip to the middle east

3288
02:00:37,990 --> 02:00:36,000
that is uh

3289
02:00:39,270 --> 02:00:38,000
not insignificant when you say something

3290
02:00:41,270 --> 02:00:39,280
like that

3291
02:00:42,950 --> 02:00:41,280
that means we're not gonna we're not

3292
02:00:44,950 --> 02:00:42,960
gonna accept them going nuclear and

3293
02:00:46,709 --> 02:00:44,960
we're gonna do whatever it takes to stop

3294
02:00:48,390 --> 02:00:46,719
them okay

3295
02:00:50,950 --> 02:00:48,400
so um

3296
02:00:53,109 --> 02:00:50,960
the next big threat aside from

3297
02:00:55,669 --> 02:00:53,119
people like putin decided that he's just

3298
02:00:57,589 --> 02:00:55,679
going to take over a democratically

3299
02:00:58,950 --> 02:00:57,599
uh run country

3300
02:01:01,430 --> 02:00:58,960
in ukraine

3301
02:01:05,270 --> 02:01:01,440
aside from nation states

3302
02:01:08,470 --> 02:01:05,280
and their uh geopolitical interests are

3303
02:01:09,830 --> 02:01:08,480
it's it's terrorist extremists right

3304
02:01:11,990 --> 02:01:09,840
so we've already seen what happened on 9

3305
02:01:14,070 --> 02:01:12,000
11. so let's say terror so let's say we

3306
02:01:15,910 --> 02:01:14,080
free this this free energy

3307
02:01:17,669 --> 02:01:15,920
becomes free that's all we're going to

3308
02:01:19,510 --> 02:01:17,679
have our flying cars

3309
02:01:22,550 --> 02:01:19,520
our flying carpets

3310
02:01:23,910 --> 02:01:22,560
and and it's going to be shangri-la

3311
02:01:26,390 --> 02:01:23,920
okay

3312
02:01:29,589 --> 02:01:26,400
and you let somebody tap into that

3313
02:01:31,030 --> 02:01:29,599
and with evil intent and turn it into a

3314
02:01:31,830 --> 02:01:31,040
bomb

3315
02:01:35,589 --> 02:01:31,840
of

3316
02:01:38,470 --> 02:01:35,599
since i i don't know that for sure that

3317
02:01:39,669 --> 02:01:38,480
that technology exists but we're

3318
02:01:42,390 --> 02:01:39,679
sort of

3319
02:01:42,720 --> 02:01:42,400
convinced that it does exist

3320
02:01:44,149 --> 02:01:42,730
um

3321
02:01:45,669 --> 02:01:44,159
[Music]

3322
02:01:46,709 --> 02:01:45,679
can you release that kind of thing to

3323
02:01:49,270 --> 02:01:46,719
the public

3324
02:01:52,470 --> 02:01:49,280
can you suddenly roll that out and and

3325
02:01:54,470 --> 02:01:52,480
and chain up the gates at every refinery

3326
02:01:56,390 --> 02:01:54,480
and and shut down every

3327
02:01:58,550 --> 02:01:56,400
every oil well

3328
02:02:01,350 --> 02:01:58,560
and stop pumping we already see what's

3329
02:02:05,430 --> 02:02:01,360
happened when russia invaded ukraine the

3330
02:02:07,270 --> 02:02:05,440
price of gas shoots out the roof

3331
02:02:09,589 --> 02:02:07,280
it's fine to have objectives you know to

3332
02:02:11,270 --> 02:02:09,599
go green i'm all for it there needs to

3333
02:02:14,070 --> 02:02:11,280
be a transition plan

3334
02:02:16,790 --> 02:02:14,080
would i rather go free energy sure if it

3335
02:02:19,510 --> 02:02:16,800
existed but how could you do it

3336
02:02:23,030 --> 02:02:19,520
how could they turn something so awesome

3337
02:02:26,310 --> 02:02:23,040
into something so practical and useful

3338
02:02:27,669 --> 02:02:26,320
and functional for the ordinary american

3339
02:02:29,350 --> 02:02:27,679
or anybody

3340
02:02:30,629 --> 02:02:29,360
if it's that

3341
02:02:32,709 --> 02:02:30,639
awesome

3342
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:32,719
it's like uh i don't care whether you

3343
02:02:37,510 --> 02:02:35,520
believe bob lazar or not but if any

3344
02:02:40,629 --> 02:02:37,520
anything that emits

3345
02:02:41,990 --> 02:02:40,639
that is capable of producing gravity

3346
02:02:44,470 --> 02:02:42,000
and having its own

3347
02:02:45,750 --> 02:02:44,480
gravity field such that when you press

3348
02:02:48,310 --> 02:02:45,760
on it

3349
02:02:49,830 --> 02:02:48,320
take away his account a supposed account

3350
02:02:51,589 --> 02:02:49,840
or whatever you want to call it but if

3351
02:02:53,030 --> 02:02:51,599
you had something like that

3352
02:02:55,990 --> 02:02:53,040
that could

3353
02:02:58,149 --> 02:02:56,000
do that then as he rightly said

3354
02:02:59,270 --> 02:02:58,159
that very same day you also have a force

3355
02:03:01,350 --> 02:02:59,280
field

3356
02:03:03,270 --> 02:03:01,360
right you have this awesome weapon and

3357
02:03:04,709 --> 02:03:03,280
you have this awesome defense

3358
02:03:07,430 --> 02:03:04,719
you have this awesome

3359
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:07,440
uh power plant to power your jet your

3360
02:03:11,430 --> 02:03:09,520
submarine your car

3361
02:03:14,310 --> 02:03:11,440
but can you turn that over to the hands

3362
02:03:16,070 --> 02:03:14,320
of the ordinary citizens or some nitwit

3363
02:03:17,990 --> 02:03:16,080
gonna turn it into something destructive

3364
02:03:20,470 --> 02:03:18,000
because he got laid off

3365
02:03:22,870 --> 02:03:20,480
at the kellogg's plant last week because

3366
02:03:26,070 --> 02:03:22,880
he couldn't get along with his employees

3367
02:03:27,189 --> 02:03:26,080
anyway um i'll get off my soapbox

3368
02:03:28,950 --> 02:03:27,199
so it's

3369
02:03:31,750 --> 02:03:28,960
it's a hard problem

3370
02:03:33,830 --> 02:03:31,760
i want to um inside a hard problem let

3371
02:03:36,310 --> 02:03:33,840
me pull up the one

3372
02:03:37,910 --> 02:03:36,320
one more video and interrupt you because

3373
02:03:39,910 --> 02:03:37,920
it's totally related just let's just

3374
02:03:41,990 --> 02:03:39,920
listen to this

3375
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:42,000
hopefully i can pull this up properly it

3376
02:03:47,910 --> 02:03:45,520
was george knapp recently speaking

3377
02:03:52,790 --> 02:03:50,470
that ufo podcast

3378
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:52,800
and let me play the audio from that and

3379
02:03:59,430 --> 02:03:56,880
hopefully you can hear it

3380
02:04:01,430 --> 02:03:59,440
i'll add this andy uh one of the inter

3381
02:04:03,990 --> 02:04:01,440
the people we interviewed in russia the

3382
02:04:06,069 --> 02:04:04,000
first trip i was there in 93 was a

3383
02:04:08,470 --> 02:04:06,079
russian scientist who worked on their

3384
02:04:10,470 --> 02:04:08,480
equivalent their star work program he

3385
02:04:12,229 --> 02:04:10,480
had never spoken to a journalist not

3386
02:04:14,149 --> 02:04:12,239
just a rut not an american journalist

3387
02:04:15,589 --> 02:04:14,159
certainly but he hadn't even spoken to a

3388
02:04:18,310 --> 02:04:15,599
russian journalist he hadn't used his

3389
02:04:19,910 --> 02:04:18,320
real name in public and he came forward

3390
02:04:22,149 --> 02:04:19,920
it was the time when there was a window

3391
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:22,159
of opportunity there and spoke to us he

3392
02:04:26,310 --> 02:04:24,560
said yeah we he showed me he had this

3393
02:04:27,669 --> 02:04:26,320
funny little thing sitting on the table

3394
02:04:29,669 --> 02:04:27,679
when we came into the room where we

3395
02:04:32,149 --> 02:04:29,679
interviewed him and he had been living

3396
02:04:34,229 --> 02:04:32,159
in one of these star city places that

3397
02:04:36,870 --> 02:04:34,239
didn't exist on a map for his whole

3398
02:04:38,310 --> 02:04:36,880
career working on advanced weapons

3399
02:04:39,990 --> 02:04:38,320
weapon systems and he showed me this

3400
02:04:42,149 --> 02:04:40,000
little tabletop thing he called it the

3401
02:04:43,030 --> 02:04:42,159
weapon of the aliens and he pressed a

3402
02:04:44,709 --> 02:04:43,040
button

3403
02:04:47,589 --> 02:04:44,719
and this beam

3404
02:04:48,629 --> 02:04:47,599
burned a hole instantaneously in a razor

3405
02:04:50,470 --> 02:04:48,639
blade

3406
02:04:51,910 --> 02:04:50,480
he said this is what we're working on we

3407
02:04:53,669 --> 02:04:51,920
want to be able to develop this

3408
02:04:55,750 --> 02:04:53,679
technology what we call the weapon of

3409
02:04:57,589 --> 02:04:55,760
the aliens we know that the americans

3410
02:04:59,430 --> 02:04:57,599
are working on it as well we want to

3411
02:05:01,669 --> 02:04:59,440
beat you to the punch

3412
02:05:03,830 --> 02:05:01,679
this is also goes to the heart of why

3413
02:05:05,669 --> 02:05:03,840
i'm i'm not encouraged that we're going

3414
02:05:07,669 --> 02:05:05,679
to get anything like disclosure anytime

3415
02:05:09,589 --> 02:05:07,679
soon is because there's a race

3416
02:05:11,350 --> 02:05:09,599
for this technology we're trying to

3417
02:05:12,870 --> 02:05:11,360
figure it out the russians the chinese

3418
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:12,880
are trying to figure it out

3419
02:05:16,709 --> 02:05:14,800
how far each of those nations have gone

3420
02:05:18,229 --> 02:05:16,719
we don't know but we're never going to

3421
02:05:20,390 --> 02:05:18,239
release this information because we

3422
02:05:22,390 --> 02:05:20,400
don't want them to know how far along we

3423
02:05:24,390 --> 02:05:22,400
are it is always going to be a matter of

3424
02:05:26,390 --> 02:05:24,400
national security and i think that

3425
02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:26,400
you'll have people the organizations

3426
02:05:31,669 --> 02:05:29,440
like the us air force and ousdi that

3427
02:05:33,830 --> 02:05:31,679
will never come forward and tell us what

3428
02:05:38,550 --> 02:05:33,840
we want to know because of the national

3429
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:39,750
i couldn't have said it any better

3430
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:51,109
can you hear me

3431
02:05:57,510 --> 02:05:53,910
yes sorry um i'm glad we got to get that

3432
02:06:03,350 --> 02:05:59,030
i think we're getting close to the end

3433
02:06:05,990 --> 02:06:04,470
so

3434
02:06:08,709 --> 02:06:06,000
this section here

3435
02:06:10,629 --> 02:06:08,719
it it sort of doesn't leave get it

3436
02:06:13,270 --> 02:06:10,639
sort of take anybody off the hook

3437
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:13,280
anybody that's involved any organization

3438
02:06:17,189 --> 02:06:15,040
um

3439
02:06:18,390 --> 02:06:17,199
they have a responsibility they shall

3440
02:06:20,310 --> 02:06:18,400
report

3441
02:06:21,589 --> 02:06:20,320
uh on the activities of their particular

3442
02:06:23,109 --> 02:06:21,599
element or their group or their

3443
02:06:25,669 --> 02:06:23,119
organization

3444
02:06:28,470 --> 02:06:27,030
for for everything that they've done in

3445
02:06:30,709 --> 02:06:28,480
the past year so right this goes back to

3446
02:06:31,910 --> 02:06:30,719
the yearly report it'd really be helpful

3447
02:06:34,950 --> 02:06:31,920
i don't have one of those document

3448
02:06:36,470 --> 02:06:34,960
readers where when it says uh to support

3449
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:36,480
the office and then it would pop up and

3450
02:06:39,510 --> 02:06:38,320
say the office of this

3451
02:06:43,510 --> 02:06:39,520
or

3452
02:06:45,189 --> 02:06:43,520
you what you know paragraph it's

3453
02:06:46,149 --> 02:06:45,199
referring back to so you kind of have to

3454
02:06:48,390 --> 02:06:46,159
have a

3455
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:48,400
little bit of a photographic memory

3456
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:50,800
uh if you never thought you had one you

3457
02:06:54,149 --> 02:06:52,880
kind of develop one when you read these

3458
02:06:56,790 --> 02:06:54,159
types of documents because they keep

3459
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:56,800
referring back to paragraph a or b or c

3460
02:07:01,270 --> 02:06:59,599
or whatever um you gotta it's hard to

3461
02:07:03,189 --> 02:07:01,280
kind of keep it straight in your head

3462
02:07:05,750 --> 02:07:03,199
yeah i had that problem i really had

3463
02:07:08,069 --> 02:07:05,760
that problem trying to follow along

3464
02:07:09,990 --> 02:07:08,079
but but from from an organizational

3465
02:07:12,470 --> 02:07:10,000
management perspective i mean they're

3466
02:07:14,550 --> 02:07:12,480
even asking that they report back not

3467
02:07:16,709 --> 02:07:14,560
only of the activities of the past year

3468
02:07:17,830 --> 02:07:16,719
by that element but to also report any

3469
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:17,840
concerns

3470
02:07:22,950 --> 02:07:19,920
about you know coordination and make

3471
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:22,960
recommendations on improving it

3472
02:07:27,350 --> 02:07:24,880
um

3473
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:27,360
you know that's

3474
02:07:30,790 --> 02:07:28,719
intelligent

3475
02:07:32,550 --> 02:07:30,800
that's marked

3476
02:07:34,390 --> 02:07:32,560
you know and uh

3477
02:07:35,750 --> 02:07:34,400
you you go back and look at your what's

3478
02:07:37,990 --> 02:07:35,760
called lessons

3479
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:38,000
after some event right whether it's

3480
02:07:42,310 --> 02:07:40,079
launching of a spacecraft you go back

3481
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:42,320
and do a post launch you know lessons

3482
02:07:47,109 --> 02:07:44,960
learned everything even even going after

3483
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:47,119
bin laden had a lessons

3484
02:07:51,030 --> 02:07:49,199
uh session where they look what did we

3485
02:07:53,830 --> 02:07:51,040
do good what did we do wrong we lost a

3486
02:07:55,750 --> 02:07:53,840
helicopter it crashed in the front yard

3487
02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:55,760
you know that kind of thing

3488
02:07:59,910 --> 02:07:58,400
uh it's it's sort of uh

3489
02:08:02,310 --> 02:07:59,920
it's it's

3490
02:08:03,189 --> 02:08:02,320
pervasive now across yeah i don't know

3491
02:08:05,589 --> 02:08:03,199
about

3492
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:05,599
civilian government agencies a few of

3493
02:08:09,910 --> 02:08:07,119
which i've supported in the last 10

3494
02:08:13,030 --> 02:08:09,920
years and i can tell you that and i'm

3495
02:08:15,669 --> 02:08:13,040
not being speaking disparagingly of them

3496
02:08:17,589 --> 02:08:15,679
but in comparison to the intelligence

3497
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:17,599
community agencies

3498
02:08:21,270 --> 02:08:19,840
in the dod

3499
02:08:23,189 --> 02:08:21,280
the thoroughness

3500
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:23,199
the uh

3501
02:08:28,790 --> 02:08:25,920
well i better be careful what i say but

3502
02:08:30,310 --> 02:08:28,800
you just the the ic and dod they do

3503
02:08:31,270 --> 02:08:30,320
obviously all organizations have their

3504
02:08:34,069 --> 02:08:31,280
issues

3505
02:08:35,990 --> 02:08:34,079
but uh from an from a thoroughness

3506
02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:36,000
standpoint

3507
02:08:44,709 --> 02:08:42,960
the ic and the dod

3508
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:44,719
are pretty impressive when you start

3509
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:46,960
talking about stuff like this with both

3510
02:08:51,830 --> 02:08:49,040
systems that they have and how they use

3511
02:08:54,149 --> 02:08:51,840
them and what they do with the data

3512
02:08:55,350 --> 02:08:54,159
so he gets so specific joe that is

3513
02:08:56,790 --> 02:08:55,360
telling him what's going to be in the

3514
02:08:57,990 --> 02:08:56,800
first briefing

3515
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:58,000
um

3516
02:09:02,390 --> 02:08:59,679
and then after uh

3517
02:09:05,350 --> 02:09:02,400
it actually says i love this

3518
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:05,360
this is where they're going to um

3519
02:09:13,430 --> 02:09:11,270
which part are you looking for well it's

3520
02:09:15,350 --> 02:09:13,440
so it has to do with uh

3521
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:15,360
the phenomena that were reported by the

3522
02:09:23,990 --> 02:09:20,709
you're going to be reporting all

3523
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:24,000
incidents in involving uaup

3524
02:09:29,589 --> 02:09:27,360
that were reported to the uap task force

3525
02:09:32,709 --> 02:09:29,599
or to the office established under this

3526
02:09:34,229 --> 02:09:32,719
subsection after june 24th

3527
02:09:36,629 --> 02:09:34,239
2021

3528
02:09:38,310 --> 02:09:36,639
regardless of the date of occurrence of

3529
02:09:41,350 --> 02:09:38,320
incident

3530
02:09:45,109 --> 02:09:42,870
in the first briefing so in the first

3531
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:45,119
briefing they kind of want to know

3532
02:09:48,149 --> 02:09:47,199
what they know

3533
02:09:56,069 --> 02:09:48,159
now

3534
02:09:57,189 --> 02:09:56,079
and sort of rumsfeldian right what are

3535
02:09:58,709 --> 02:09:57,199
the knowns

3536
02:10:01,189 --> 02:09:58,719
what are the unknowns and what are the

3537
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:01,199
unknown unknowns right we know you've

3538
02:10:05,910 --> 02:10:03,760
got reports since 2004 because you

3539
02:10:09,830 --> 02:10:05,920
talked about them last year but we want

3540
02:10:12,069 --> 02:10:09,840
to know going all the way back to 1947.

3541
02:10:13,189 --> 02:10:12,079
um

3542
02:10:15,589 --> 02:10:13,199
and so

3543
02:10:17,589 --> 02:10:15,599
and at least tell us what we what wasn't

3544
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:17,599
included in those reports and so they do

3545
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:19,840
mention they do mention 47 coming up

3546
02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:21,840
real soon

3547
02:10:25,350 --> 02:10:23,199
yeah

3548
02:10:27,109 --> 02:10:25,360
subsequent briefings uh they're just

3549
02:10:30,390 --> 02:10:27,119
getting really down in the weeds really

3550
02:10:32,870 --> 02:10:30,400
prescriptive which is impressive

3551
02:10:35,189 --> 02:10:32,880
so instances in which data was not

3552
02:10:36,550 --> 02:10:35,199
shared for each briefing period the

3553
02:10:39,109 --> 02:10:36,560
director

3554
02:10:40,950 --> 02:10:39,119
of that office of the office the the the

3555
02:10:43,910 --> 02:10:40,960
ua ua

3556
02:10:45,510 --> 02:10:43,920
up program office shall jointly provide

3557
02:10:47,750 --> 02:10:45,520
to the chairman

3558
02:10:49,510 --> 02:10:47,760
or chair and the ranking member or vice

3559
02:10:50,550 --> 02:10:49,520
chairman of the committees congressional

3560
02:10:52,870 --> 02:10:50,560
committees

3561
02:10:57,350 --> 02:10:52,880
blah blah blah any instances in which

3562
02:11:01,910 --> 02:11:00,069
uaup phenomena was not provided to the

3563
02:11:03,109 --> 02:11:01,920
office because of a class classification

3564
02:11:08,229 --> 02:11:03,119
restriction

3565
02:11:10,950 --> 02:11:10,069
so they're not leaving a lot of wiggle

3566
02:11:12,950 --> 02:11:10,960
room

3567
02:11:15,189 --> 02:11:12,960
they may never get the data

3568
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:15,199
but they're at least

3569
02:11:18,790 --> 02:11:16,880
going to be told we can't give you that

3570
02:11:20,390 --> 02:11:18,800
data why not well

3571
02:11:22,709 --> 02:11:20,400
let's talk about it and they may talk

3572
02:11:24,629 --> 02:11:22,719
about it for a month a year two years

3573
02:11:27,510 --> 02:11:24,639
who knows

3574
02:11:29,350 --> 02:11:27,520
quarterly briefings

3575
02:11:31,270 --> 02:11:29,360
you could what go ahead no you still

3576
02:11:33,510 --> 02:11:31,280
have a long ways to go and it's not that

3577
02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:33,520
close to the end so if you want to pick

3578
02:11:37,669 --> 02:11:35,920
and change i'm about to

3579
02:11:40,550 --> 02:11:37,679
i'm you know

3580
02:11:41,830 --> 02:11:40,560
i mean people can uh if you want since i

3581
02:11:43,910 --> 02:11:41,840
kind of

3582
02:11:45,350 --> 02:11:43,920
have everything highlighted that's of of

3583
02:11:47,589 --> 02:11:45,360
high interest

3584
02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:47,599
one option here is i can go ahead and

3585
02:11:50,470 --> 02:11:48,960
speed through this

3586
02:11:52,229 --> 02:11:50,480
and then send this to you and you could

3587
02:11:54,229 --> 02:11:52,239
somehow post this and with its

3588
02:11:55,589 --> 02:11:54,239
highlights so that people could go right

3589
02:11:58,790 --> 02:11:55,599
to those highlights not have to read all

3590
02:12:00,629 --> 02:11:58,800
130 pages 138 pages this thing i already

3591
02:12:02,149 --> 02:12:00,639
have it on my blog

3592
02:12:04,149 --> 02:12:02,159
not published and i can just add the

3593
02:12:05,750 --> 02:12:04,159
highlights of what you highlighted um

3594
02:12:09,510 --> 02:12:05,760
but i want to get to the amnesty part

3595
02:12:11,669 --> 02:12:09,520
which is coming up soon related to ndas

3596
02:12:14,550 --> 02:12:11,679
which we have not gotten yet

3597
02:12:15,990 --> 02:12:14,560
which should be coming real soon but god

3598
02:12:17,350 --> 02:12:16,000
i'm rushing you i'm not in a rush

3599
02:12:18,629 --> 02:12:17,360
michael it's up to you it's how much you

3600
02:12:20,229 --> 02:12:18,639
can stay

3601
02:12:21,750 --> 02:12:20,239
well i'm getting pretty hungry for

3602
02:12:23,830 --> 02:12:21,760
dinner so i'm gonna what i'm gonna do is

3603
02:12:26,629 --> 02:12:23,840
speed ahead and then you slow me down

3604
02:12:29,350 --> 02:12:26,639
and um and i'll stop it and and try not

3605
02:12:31,270 --> 02:12:29,360
to dwell here too long on stuff

3606
02:12:32,870 --> 02:12:31,280
take some questions at the end if you

3607
02:12:35,589 --> 02:12:32,880
can yeah

3608
02:12:38,470 --> 02:12:35,599
okay so they're they're wanting it

3609
02:12:39,750 --> 02:12:38,480
you know again this is impressive

3610
02:12:41,669 --> 02:12:39,760
this is an impressive set of

3611
02:12:43,589 --> 02:12:41,679
requirements the thoroughness is

3612
02:12:47,430 --> 02:12:43,599
impressive a continuously updated

3613
02:12:48,950 --> 02:12:47,440
compendium of of these events details

3614
02:12:50,709 --> 02:12:48,960
about each sighting that occurred in the

3615
02:12:52,470 --> 02:12:50,719
past 90 days and the status of the

3616
02:12:54,229 --> 02:12:52,480
resolution of that sighting

3617
02:12:55,990 --> 02:12:54,239
uh

3618
02:12:58,069 --> 02:12:56,000
updates on the collection activities

3619
02:13:00,229 --> 02:12:58,079
posture analysis and research

3620
02:13:01,430 --> 02:13:00,239
authorization and appropriations so what

3621
02:13:05,109 --> 02:13:01,440
does this mean

3622
02:13:07,589 --> 02:13:05,119
uh the authorization is the uh

3623
02:13:10,950 --> 02:13:07,599
you know the the power the empowerment

3624
02:13:13,669 --> 02:13:10,960
to do the job and the appropriations uh

3625
02:13:15,910 --> 02:13:13,679
is the funding okay

3626
02:13:17,830 --> 02:13:15,920
there's authorized to be appropriated

3627
02:13:20,149 --> 02:13:17,840
such sums

3628
02:13:22,709 --> 02:13:20,159
as may be necessary

3629
02:13:23,750 --> 02:13:22,719
to carry out the work of the office that

3630
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:23,760
is uh

3631
02:13:29,430 --> 02:13:26,320
i guess to be determined right

3632
02:13:31,350 --> 02:13:29,440
um if it were if i was running if i was

3633
02:13:33,669 --> 02:13:31,360
running the railroad for a day it would

3634
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:33,679
be on the order of the manhattan project

3635
02:13:37,189 --> 02:13:35,920
right it would be crash program we got

3636
02:13:40,629 --> 02:13:37,199
to figure this out

3637
02:13:43,430 --> 02:13:40,639
because it could have potential benefits

3638
02:13:45,109 --> 02:13:43,440
with respect to

3639
02:13:46,950 --> 02:13:45,119
intelligence gathering analysis

3640
02:13:49,669 --> 02:13:46,960
strategic defense space defense

3641
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:49,679
controlled airspace defense air ground

3642
02:13:54,470 --> 02:13:51,679
and related purposes

3643
02:13:56,069 --> 02:13:54,480
task force termination this is great not

3644
02:13:57,910 --> 02:13:56,079
later than the date on which the

3645
02:13:59,589 --> 02:13:57,920
secretary of defense establishes the

3646
02:14:01,589 --> 02:13:59,599
office under this

3647
02:14:03,750 --> 02:14:01,599
under this law

3648
02:14:05,750 --> 02:14:03,760
the secretary shall terminate the uap

3649
02:14:07,990 --> 02:14:05,760
task force

3650
02:14:10,069 --> 02:14:08,000
boom

3651
02:14:11,270 --> 02:14:10,079
that is uh that's quite a statement

3652
02:14:13,990 --> 02:14:11,280
there

3653
02:14:16,629 --> 02:14:14,000
that is basically saying you failed

3654
02:14:18,629 --> 02:14:16,639
right right

3655
02:14:20,790 --> 02:14:18,639
so you didn't take it seriously came up

3656
02:14:23,510 --> 02:14:20,800
here and you wasted our time on the hill

3657
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:23,520
um and he gives some terms here

3658
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:24,880
definitions

3659
02:14:28,629 --> 02:14:27,040
and that and the uap task force under j

3660
02:14:31,750 --> 02:14:28,639
stratton from everything i've heard they

3661
02:14:33,430 --> 02:14:31,760
did amazing uh stratton was able to get

3662
02:14:36,069 --> 02:14:33,440
a lot out of nothing since he had no

3663
02:14:37,910 --> 02:14:36,079
budget so he was able to use his power

3664
02:14:40,069 --> 02:14:37,920
to get people and other agencies to work

3665
02:14:41,669 --> 02:14:40,079
on this in their spare time which is not

3666
02:14:43,910 --> 02:14:41,679
the right the best way to do it but he

3667
02:14:45,589 --> 02:14:43,920
did what he could so i know that the

3668
02:14:47,669 --> 02:14:45,599
task force you're talking about is after

3669
02:14:49,430 --> 02:14:47,679
he was gone really nothing has happened

3670
02:14:50,790 --> 02:14:49,440
as far as i know and there's also no

3671
02:14:52,950 --> 02:14:50,800
funding still

3672
02:14:54,629 --> 02:14:52,960
yeah i mean people have to remember that

3673
02:14:56,310 --> 02:14:54,639
there's this phrase that says that you

3674
02:14:58,390 --> 02:14:56,320
know things happen at the speed of

3675
02:15:00,950 --> 02:14:58,400
government right which is

3676
02:15:02,390 --> 02:15:00,960
bureaucratic it's slow it's cumbersome

3677
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:02,400
and then you then you throw in the

3678
02:15:09,270 --> 02:15:06,880
subjectivity of personalities and uh

3679
02:15:11,430 --> 02:15:09,280
you know different program competitions

3680
02:15:12,629 --> 02:15:11,440
agency competitive

3681
02:15:15,189 --> 02:15:12,639
spirit

3682
02:15:17,189 --> 02:15:15,199
and uh competing programs program when i

3683
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:17,199
say competing programs going after

3684
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:18,960
similar or

3685
02:15:23,910 --> 02:15:21,280
sort of similar similarly beneficial

3686
02:15:25,430 --> 02:15:23,920
targets or targets that would have sort

3687
02:15:28,149 --> 02:15:25,440
of similar

3688
02:15:29,350 --> 02:15:28,159
benefits to understand them better with

3689
02:15:31,589 --> 02:15:29,360
two different programs out of two

3690
02:15:33,109 --> 02:15:31,599
different agencies and that's

3691
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:33,119
hey that money over there that joe's

3692
02:15:36,870 --> 02:15:34,800
spending on his program i could really

3693
02:15:38,550 --> 02:15:36,880
use that on mine beef my program up and

3694
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:38,560
get rid of his right i talked about that

3695
02:15:42,390 --> 02:15:40,719
earlier right it's it's when i say

3696
02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:42,400
competing it's competing mostly for

3697
02:15:45,430 --> 02:15:43,440
funding

3698
02:15:47,589 --> 02:15:45,440
and and uh in some cases it could be

3699
02:15:50,709 --> 02:15:47,599
competing for use of the technical

3700
02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:50,719
assets that let us collect this stuff um

3701
02:15:56,950 --> 02:15:53,280
more terms and definitions here

3702
02:15:58,229 --> 02:15:56,960
i don't think so we have we have 120 118

3703
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:58,239
viewers i think that's the most i've

3704
02:16:03,270 --> 02:15:59,920
ever had for a live show except for lou

3705
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:03,280
elizondo um and also i said earlier eric

3706
02:16:06,550 --> 02:16:04,960
davis said the crash retrieval program

3707
02:16:08,229 --> 02:16:06,560
was buried to keep it away from the

3708
02:16:10,149 --> 02:16:08,239
evangelical christians who want to kill

3709
02:16:11,830 --> 02:16:10,159
anything related to uuap and as you just

3710
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:11,840
said there's always battles with funding

3711
02:16:14,149 --> 02:16:12,560
and

3712
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:14,159
different ideas of what should or should

3713
02:16:18,550 --> 02:16:16,000
not be funded so that's not really

3714
02:16:20,149 --> 02:16:18,560
unique it's just unique to the subject

3715
02:16:21,830 --> 02:16:20,159
ufos but

3716
02:16:23,510 --> 02:16:21,840
anyway continue well

3717
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:23,520
well there's a

3718
02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:25,440
slight sidebar here

3719
02:16:30,149 --> 02:16:28,159
there is a mechanism in place

3720
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:30,159
to guard against having identical

3721
02:16:34,629 --> 02:16:33,519
programs unbeknownst to one another

3722
02:16:37,509 --> 02:16:34,639
running

3723
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:37,519
at other two different places so one of

3724
02:16:45,830 --> 02:16:43,429
saps for example

3725
02:16:47,270 --> 02:16:45,840
or any sort of major technological

3726
02:16:51,509 --> 02:16:47,280
effort

3727
02:16:54,150 --> 02:16:51,519
when you register that program and you

3728
02:16:56,469 --> 02:16:54,160
classify it

3729
02:16:58,629 --> 02:16:56,479
there's a process that where the people

3730
02:17:00,389 --> 02:16:58,639
that adjudicate that

3731
02:17:02,230 --> 02:17:00,399
and and give that program its

3732
02:17:05,110 --> 02:17:02,240
classification and its security wrapper

3733
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:05,120
and put it in that portfolio or whatever

3734
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:07,120
they do a check they're supposed to do a

3735
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:07,920
check

3736
02:17:11,910 --> 02:17:10,240
across all portfolios to make sure that

3737
02:17:14,230 --> 02:17:11,920
hey you're they're not already doing

3738
02:17:16,070 --> 02:17:14,240
that over here somewhere else so you

3739
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:16,080
guys go away right we already got that

3740
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:18,319
covered it's been going on since

3741
02:17:21,910 --> 02:17:20,639
2011 or whatever

3742
02:17:23,830 --> 02:17:21,920
there's supposed to be a mechanism in

3743
02:17:26,950 --> 02:17:23,840
place for that and and i can talk more

3744
02:17:28,549 --> 02:17:26,960
about that later but um

3745
02:17:30,469 --> 02:17:28,559
you hope it works

3746
02:17:33,030 --> 02:17:30,479
right so you don't have duplication of

3747
02:17:34,549 --> 02:17:33,040
effort and duplication of

3748
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:34,559
excess funds

3749
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:35,599
spent

3750
02:17:38,389 --> 02:17:36,719
um

3751
02:17:39,830 --> 02:17:38,399
so it i thought that was just

3752
02:17:42,549 --> 02:17:39,840
interesting here

3753
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:42,559
this probably has never been in a

3754
02:17:47,270 --> 02:17:44,880
in a congressional bill ever

3755
02:17:48,709 --> 02:17:47,280
the term transmedium objects or devices

3756
02:17:50,230 --> 02:17:48,719
means objects or devices that are

3757
02:17:51,669 --> 02:17:50,240
observed to transition between space in

3758
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:51,679
the atmosphere or between the atmosphere

3759
02:17:57,589 --> 02:17:53,599
and bodies of water

3760
02:17:59,509 --> 02:17:57,599
that are not immediately identifiable

3761
02:18:02,629 --> 02:17:59,519
and it goes in here to describe what it

3762
02:18:04,709 --> 02:18:02,639
means by these by these terms

3763
02:18:06,709 --> 02:18:04,719
submerged objects devices that are not

3764
02:18:08,549 --> 02:18:06,719
immediately identifiable

3765
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:08,559
or display behavior or performance

3766
02:18:12,150 --> 02:18:10,559
characteristics suggesting

3767
02:18:13,990 --> 02:18:12,160
that the objects or devices may be

3768
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:14,000
related to the objects or devices

3769
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:16,800
described in blah blah blah

3770
02:18:19,990 --> 02:18:18,319
so they're sort of leaving no stone

3771
02:18:23,830 --> 02:18:20,000
unturned about saying hey we want you to

3772
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:23,840
also look at not only airborne uap but

3773
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:26,800
subsurf subsea you know uap

3774
02:18:31,030 --> 02:18:28,399
can you explain what temporary

3775
02:18:33,910 --> 02:18:31,040
non-attributable attributed objects are

3776
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:37,910
well if it's attributed to something

3777
02:18:40,469 --> 02:18:39,429
where is that again let's go down a

3778
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:40,479
little bit

3779
02:18:43,509 --> 02:18:42,000
it's the first paragraph go back up to

3780
02:18:45,429 --> 02:18:43,519
that no no no no no no

3781
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:45,439
i know but i i want to read the parent

3782
02:18:56,950 --> 02:18:46,639
language again

3783
02:19:00,950 --> 02:18:59,190
lion organization okay

3784
02:19:02,950 --> 02:19:00,960
i i just sent pizza to your house so you

3785
02:19:05,110 --> 02:19:02,960
can keep going for another two hours

3786
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:05,120
okay yes

3787
02:19:08,070 --> 02:19:06,559
that include a

3788
02:19:09,990 --> 02:19:08,080
component of the office of secondary

3789
02:19:11,990 --> 02:19:10,000
defense number seven the term

3790
02:19:13,589 --> 02:19:12,000
transmedium objects or devices means

3791
02:19:16,309 --> 02:19:13,599
this

3792
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:16,319
that the term unidentified aerospace

3793
02:19:18,790 --> 02:19:17,760
means this

3794
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:18,800
and this

3795
02:19:27,750 --> 02:19:26,070
and

3796
02:19:29,629 --> 02:19:27,760
does not include

3797
02:19:31,830 --> 02:19:29,639
temporary

3798
02:19:34,309 --> 02:19:31,840
non-attributable objects or those that

3799
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:34,319
are positively identified as men well a

3800
02:19:39,589 --> 02:19:36,559
non-attributable attributable object

3801
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:39,599
attributable or attributed object

3802
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:41,200
i would say would be

3803
02:19:44,950 --> 02:19:42,639
an unknown

3804
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:44,960
or an uncorrelated target

3805
02:19:47,589 --> 02:19:46,000
right

3806
02:19:50,150 --> 02:19:47,599
and i can't really

3807
02:19:51,270 --> 02:19:50,160
i don't i don't want to go into that

3808
02:19:52,309 --> 02:19:51,280
other than

3809
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:52,319
in

3810
02:19:55,670 --> 02:19:53,280
um

3811
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:55,680
if you're sitting somewhere

3812
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:56,880
on duty

3813
02:20:00,389 --> 02:19:58,560
and you're in the military and you're

3814
02:20:02,230 --> 02:20:00,399
you're looking at a screen that's

3815
02:20:03,670 --> 02:20:02,240
popping up stuff that's pertinent to

3816
02:20:05,270 --> 02:20:03,680
your area

3817
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:05,280
saying hey

3818
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:06,720
uh

3819
02:20:15,110 --> 02:20:13,990
this missile it's headed here

3820
02:20:17,590 --> 02:20:15,120
or

3821
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:17,600
a tank was just destroyed over here

3822
02:20:22,150 --> 02:20:18,880
and then all of a sudden you get this

3823
02:20:23,670 --> 02:20:22,160
weird something that's half the fields

3824
02:20:25,590 --> 02:20:23,680
are not filled out it doesn't tell you

3825
02:20:27,270 --> 02:20:25,600
exactly what it is it tells you the time

3826
02:20:28,309 --> 02:20:27,280
it was that there's nothing to correlate

3827
02:20:29,750 --> 02:20:28,319
it to

3828
02:20:32,150 --> 02:20:29,760
it can't be attributed to anything it's

3829
02:20:34,309 --> 02:20:32,160
an unknown but it did register on the

3830
02:20:35,750 --> 02:20:34,319
system whatever that system is maybe a

3831
02:20:37,750 --> 02:20:35,760
satellite saw it

3832
02:20:40,070 --> 02:20:37,760
maybe a system heard it detected it

3833
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:40,080
whatever but you you just don't know

3834
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:40,880
that's

3835
02:20:47,750 --> 02:20:45,040
non-attributed object it cannot be

3836
02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:47,760
attributed to something because

3837
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:49,920
just like

3838
02:20:55,270 --> 02:20:52,720
in in say regular software that does

3839
02:20:58,230 --> 02:20:55,280
translation translation software it is

3840
02:21:00,550 --> 02:20:58,240
programmed to recognize

3841
02:21:01,670 --> 02:21:00,560
english in my case right i'm speaking

3842
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:01,680
into it and it's going to maybe

3843
02:21:04,870 --> 02:21:03,280
translate it into like the google

3844
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:04,880
translator app on your phone if you've

3845
02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:06,640
ever used that

3846
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:09,200
uh it's it's programmed to recognize

3847
02:21:13,349 --> 02:21:11,760
english and then you can tell it to now

3848
02:21:14,950 --> 02:21:13,359
translate that into whoever you're

3849
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:14,960
talking to wherever they're from spanish

3850
02:21:18,469 --> 02:21:17,680
or greek or whatever

3851
02:21:20,550 --> 02:21:18,479
but

3852
02:21:22,309 --> 02:21:20,560
if i'm speaking

3853
02:21:24,550 --> 02:21:22,319
gibberish

3854
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:24,560
but i'm still speaking nonetheless

3855
02:21:29,990 --> 02:21:26,399
it's detecting that i'm speaking

3856
02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:31,910
does that make sense

3857
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:33,600
it does

3858
02:21:36,790 --> 02:21:35,280
right so

3859
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:36,800
um

3860
02:21:40,389 --> 02:21:39,439
these systems that we have many of them

3861
02:21:43,990 --> 02:21:40,399
are

3862
02:21:46,150 --> 02:21:44,000
super intelligent smart um

3863
02:21:47,590 --> 02:21:46,160
technologically advanced

3864
02:21:50,070 --> 02:21:47,600
that they're

3865
02:21:52,710 --> 02:21:50,080
you know they're designed and developed

3866
02:21:55,030 --> 02:21:52,720
programmed to do a certain job

3867
02:21:57,030 --> 02:21:55,040
and they have these uh

3868
02:21:59,190 --> 02:21:57,040
databases of attributes that they're

3869
02:22:01,110 --> 02:21:59,200
going to say go look for

3870
02:22:02,150 --> 02:22:01,120
whether it's a satellite or you know

3871
02:22:05,830 --> 02:22:02,160
whatever

3872
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:05,840
or say an undersea listening station

3873
02:22:09,670 --> 02:22:07,680
it knows what a whale sounds like

3874
02:22:12,230 --> 02:22:09,680
because it's loaded in a database

3875
02:22:13,590 --> 02:22:12,240
it knows what a fish burp sounds like

3876
02:22:15,750 --> 02:22:13,600
because that's loaded in the database

3877
02:22:17,750 --> 02:22:15,760
but if it hears something

3878
02:22:19,670 --> 02:22:17,760
anomalous it doesn't know what it is

3879
02:22:21,670 --> 02:22:19,680
it'll report

3880
02:22:22,389 --> 02:22:21,680
an unattributed little unattributed

3881
02:22:25,349 --> 02:22:22,399
sound

3882
02:22:28,870 --> 02:22:25,359
it can't attribute it to anything

3883
02:22:31,030 --> 02:22:28,880
so they're saying don't give us

3884
02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:31,040
we don't want to know about unknowns

3885
02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:35,590
delegation of duties is this kind of

3886
02:22:40,150 --> 02:22:37,120
clerical amendment that's kind of boring

3887
02:22:43,990 --> 02:22:41,990
or here we go this is the important part

3888
02:22:47,910 --> 02:22:44,000
and the ndf yeah

3889
02:22:51,830 --> 02:22:49,590
everybody else with the words what the

3890
02:22:54,070 --> 02:22:51,840
word not notwithstanding means means

3891
02:22:56,550 --> 02:22:54,080
despite of

3892
02:22:58,790 --> 02:22:56,560
uh notwithstanding the terms of any

3893
02:23:02,230 --> 02:22:58,800
non-disclosure written or oral agreement

3894
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:02,240
order or other instrumentality or means

3895
02:23:07,510 --> 02:23:04,399
that could be construed or could be

3896
02:23:12,070 --> 02:23:07,520
interpreted as a legal constraint

3897
02:23:14,950 --> 02:23:12,080
on reporting by a witness of an of a ua

3898
02:23:16,389 --> 02:23:14,960
up phenomena

3899
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:16,399
reporting in accordance with system

3900
02:23:20,870 --> 02:23:19,520
established subsection okay

3901
02:23:22,469 --> 02:23:20,880
so

3902
02:23:24,550 --> 02:23:22,479
i thought this was saying one thing when

3903
02:23:26,230 --> 02:23:24,560
i first read it but i think it's saying

3904
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:26,240
something else

3905
02:23:30,230 --> 02:23:28,560
non-disclosure agreement

3906
02:23:31,750 --> 02:23:30,240
uh regardless of whether you've signed

3907
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:31,760
one or not or been told not to talk

3908
02:23:36,389 --> 02:23:33,280
about it

3909
02:23:38,070 --> 02:23:36,399
by a witness of an of a uap

3910
02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:38,080
phenomena

3911
02:23:42,790 --> 02:23:40,319
so that is not somebody working in a lab

3912
02:23:44,070 --> 02:23:42,800
on a crash retrieval program

3913
02:23:51,590 --> 02:23:44,080
right

3914
02:23:55,030 --> 02:23:52,950
of some sort

3915
02:23:57,349 --> 02:23:55,040
right got it

3916
02:23:59,830 --> 02:23:57,359
all right that's the way i read it

3917
02:24:01,510 --> 02:23:59,840
that particular paragraph i agree that's

3918
02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:01,520
i read it that way too i could have

3919
02:24:05,750 --> 02:24:03,040
sworn there was more information related

3920
02:24:07,349 --> 02:24:05,760
to people working in programs but let's

3921
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:07,359
see but so this would be like your

3922
02:24:11,030 --> 02:24:08,960
pilots and stuff off the east and west

3923
02:24:12,389 --> 02:24:11,040
coast right that

3924
02:24:14,070 --> 02:24:12,399
getting you know they feel like they

3925
02:24:15,429 --> 02:24:14,080
can't talk about it

3926
02:24:17,429 --> 02:24:15,439
so they don't

3927
02:24:19,750 --> 02:24:17,439
all right now they are now hereby

3928
02:24:21,349 --> 02:24:19,760
authorized and shall be deemed to comply

3929
02:24:23,510 --> 02:24:21,359
with any regulation order issued under

3930
02:24:25,830 --> 02:24:23,520
the authority of executive order

3931
02:24:30,389 --> 02:24:25,840
13 526

3932
02:24:35,750 --> 02:24:33,030
this order this executive order

3933
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:35,760
is what governs the classification of

3934
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:41,590
and it says that relating to classified

3935
02:24:46,950 --> 02:24:43,680
national security information okay

3936
02:24:48,550 --> 02:24:46,960
or chapter 18 of the atomic energy act

3937
02:24:51,030 --> 02:24:48,560
and it's kind of kind of now i've never

3938
02:24:53,830 --> 02:24:51,040
had acute clearance over on the doe side

3939
02:24:55,830 --> 02:24:53,840
of the world but the structure the uh

3940
02:24:57,830 --> 02:24:55,840
how they classify things and how they

3941
02:24:59,750 --> 02:24:57,840
background investigate people and how

3942
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:59,760
they give you clearances and how how it

3943
02:25:03,830 --> 02:25:00,960
all works

3944
02:25:08,389 --> 02:25:05,429
i'm told is

3945
02:25:11,030 --> 02:25:08,399
virtually similar it's just different

3946
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:11,040
different terms largely and uh just a

3947
02:25:14,950 --> 02:25:12,880
little bit different way of doing things

3948
02:25:17,590 --> 02:25:14,960
but uh what's what is interesting and

3949
02:25:20,710 --> 02:25:17,600
always has been to me is that uh there

3950
02:25:23,910 --> 02:25:20,720
was a bifurcation back in the 40s

3951
02:25:24,710 --> 02:25:23,920
and 50s uh of these two threats there

3952
02:25:26,469 --> 02:25:24,720
was

3953
02:25:28,150 --> 02:25:26,479
intelligence and defense

3954
02:25:30,630 --> 02:25:28,160
classified information and then there

3955
02:25:33,670 --> 02:25:30,640
was atomic energy related or nuclear

3956
02:25:36,389 --> 02:25:33,680
related uh classified information and it

3957
02:25:38,630 --> 02:25:36,399
was deemed so sensitive that it was

3958
02:25:40,469 --> 02:25:38,640
channeled off into its own

3959
02:25:44,309 --> 02:25:40,479
um domain

3960
02:25:45,590 --> 02:25:44,319
the atomic side of it right

3961
02:25:47,830 --> 02:25:45,600
so so there's

3962
02:25:49,670 --> 02:25:47,840
that's in a nutshell saying yeah we take

3963
02:25:53,510 --> 02:25:49,680
this stuff really seriously but but we

3964
02:25:55,750 --> 02:25:53,520
take nuclear really really seriously

3965
02:25:59,110 --> 02:25:55,760
so we want to handle it separately so

3966
02:26:01,590 --> 02:25:59,120
that it doesn't get convoluted over here

3967
02:26:06,870 --> 02:26:04,230
it's separate and distinct

3968
02:26:09,110 --> 02:26:06,880
then there's a system of reporting

3969
02:26:12,070 --> 02:26:09,120
um so the secretary of defense and the

3970
02:26:14,230 --> 02:26:12,080
dni shall establish a secure system for

3971
02:26:16,630 --> 02:26:14,240
receiving reports of any event related

3972
02:26:18,150 --> 02:26:16,640
to uaup

3973
02:26:20,469 --> 02:26:18,160
and any government or government

3974
02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:20,479
contractor activity

3975
02:26:26,389 --> 02:26:24,160
or program related to uaup

3976
02:26:28,309 --> 02:26:26,399
so there there's your

3977
02:26:29,270 --> 02:26:28,319
catch-all

3978
02:26:32,309 --> 02:26:29,280
right there

3979
02:26:36,150 --> 02:26:32,319
but it doesn't say b is cleared of their

3980
02:26:39,990 --> 02:26:38,309
well i'd have to go back and spend time

3981
02:26:43,910 --> 02:26:40,000
going back i thought that previous

3982
02:26:48,870 --> 02:26:46,710
as a legal constraint

3983
02:26:51,110 --> 02:26:48,880
on reporting by a witness of an

3984
02:26:52,790 --> 02:26:51,120
unidentified aerospace undersea

3985
02:26:53,910 --> 02:26:52,800
phenomena

3986
02:26:56,790 --> 02:26:53,920
okay

3987
02:26:58,550 --> 02:26:56,800
um and i don't read

3988
02:27:00,830 --> 02:26:58,560
any government or government contractor

3989
02:27:02,630 --> 02:27:00,840
activity or program related i don't

3990
02:27:04,309 --> 02:27:02,640
visa

3991
02:27:07,270 --> 02:27:04,319
same things this is

3992
02:27:09,349 --> 02:27:07,280
this is a different animal here

3993
02:27:10,790 --> 02:27:09,359
yeah i mean you could you could say i i

3994
02:27:12,950 --> 02:27:10,800
don't think you could say a craft

3995
02:27:15,190 --> 02:27:12,960
sitting in a hangar that's not ours is

3996
02:27:16,870 --> 02:27:15,200
considered phenomena

3997
02:27:18,469 --> 02:27:16,880
so yeah it seems something separate

3998
02:27:22,230 --> 02:27:18,479
which i did not note the first time

3999
02:27:26,070 --> 02:27:24,070
well maybe that's why the person i spoke

4000
02:27:28,950 --> 02:27:26,080
to said that does not offer immunity

4001
02:27:30,710 --> 02:27:28,960
it's not saying what you think it does

4002
02:27:33,190 --> 02:27:30,720
well so

4003
02:27:34,950 --> 02:27:33,200
so i put a box around this for a reason

4004
02:27:37,349 --> 02:27:34,960
and i've forgotten kind of why now let's

4005
02:27:39,190 --> 02:27:37,359
let's read it protection of systems

4006
02:27:41,190 --> 02:27:39,200
programs and activity

4007
02:27:42,630 --> 02:27:41,200
all right so this is saying that this

4008
02:27:45,830 --> 02:27:42,640
system

4009
02:27:47,990 --> 02:27:45,840
that's been set up

4010
02:27:49,349 --> 02:27:48,000
it pers you know according to paragraph

4011
02:27:51,510 --> 02:27:49,359
one

4012
02:27:53,429 --> 02:27:51,520
right here

4013
02:27:56,630 --> 02:27:53,439
shall establish your system of receiving

4014
02:27:58,950 --> 02:27:56,640
reports any event relating to uaup and

4015
02:28:00,950 --> 02:27:58,960
any government or contractor activity or

4016
02:28:03,830 --> 02:28:00,960
program related to uaup

4017
02:28:09,270 --> 02:28:06,309
establish self-serve as a mechanism to

4018
02:28:11,190 --> 02:28:09,280
prevent unauthorized public reporting or

4019
02:28:12,790 --> 02:28:11,200
compromise of property classified

4020
02:28:15,110 --> 02:28:12,800
material and intelligent systems

4021
02:28:17,270 --> 02:28:15,120
programs and related activity including

4022
02:28:20,630 --> 02:28:17,280
all categories and levels of special

4023
02:28:22,630 --> 02:28:20,640
access and compartmented access programs

4024
02:28:27,349 --> 02:28:22,640
current historical

4025
02:28:31,349 --> 02:28:28,950
so

4026
02:28:33,670 --> 02:28:31,359
what they're saying is this this

4027
02:28:35,830 --> 02:28:33,680
this bill does not give card launch to

4028
02:28:36,790 --> 02:28:35,840
people in these programs to spill the

4029
02:28:39,349 --> 02:28:36,800
beans

4030
02:28:40,389 --> 02:28:39,359
this this is

4031
02:28:42,630 --> 02:28:40,399
there's still

4032
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:42,640
uh an overarching requirement

4033
02:28:46,230 --> 02:28:44,479
to safeguard our national security

4034
02:28:49,830 --> 02:28:46,240
programs our special access

4035
02:28:51,429 --> 02:28:49,840
compartmented special access programs

4036
02:28:53,510 --> 02:28:51,439
um

4037
02:28:54,550 --> 02:28:53,520
saps usaps whatever you want to call

4038
02:28:56,630 --> 02:28:54,560
them

4039
02:28:57,990 --> 02:28:56,640
uh

4040
02:29:00,150 --> 02:28:58,000
people aren't just going to be running

4041
02:29:01,750 --> 02:29:00,160
off willy-nilly to washington post or

4042
02:29:03,990 --> 02:29:01,760
times and

4043
02:29:05,349 --> 02:29:04,000
or to the hill without

4044
02:29:07,030 --> 02:29:05,359
you know

4045
02:29:08,870 --> 02:29:07,040
but it goes on

4046
02:29:10,389 --> 02:29:08,880
the system

4047
02:29:14,150 --> 02:29:10,399
established this is how it's going to be

4048
02:29:17,830 --> 02:29:15,349
shall be

4049
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:17,840
will be designated and widely known and

4050
02:29:22,550 --> 02:29:20,160
easily accessible

4051
02:29:25,270 --> 02:29:22,560
and those that are appropriately cleared

4052
02:29:27,190 --> 02:29:25,280
that are in the dod and in the ic

4053
02:29:28,389 --> 02:29:27,200
employees or contractors

4054
02:29:29,830 --> 02:29:28,399
um

4055
02:29:32,550 --> 02:29:29,840
assigned to the

4056
02:29:34,150 --> 02:29:32,560
to the uap task force

4057
02:29:38,630 --> 02:29:34,160
so they're going to have

4058
02:29:41,590 --> 02:29:40,389
this looks like it's falling back on old

4059
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:41,600
language

4060
02:29:47,349 --> 02:29:44,080
yeah it's a little confusing that or the

4061
02:29:49,270 --> 02:29:47,359
office or the office okay so it's going

4062
02:29:51,990 --> 02:29:49,280
to be run by

4063
02:29:54,309 --> 02:29:52,000
people that are very visible they you

4064
02:29:56,790 --> 02:29:54,319
have easy if you need to give a report

4065
02:29:58,070 --> 02:29:56,800
uh they're going to be easily accessible

4066
02:29:59,110 --> 02:29:58,080
and they're going to be appropriately

4067
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:59,120
cleared

4068
02:30:03,990 --> 02:30:01,280
to hear what you have to say

4069
02:30:05,670 --> 02:30:04,000
so the office is the middleman between

4070
02:30:07,990 --> 02:30:05,680
the say the people who work in these

4071
02:30:09,590 --> 02:30:08,000
programs who or who had a sighting in

4072
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:09,600
congress is that correct the office is

4073
02:30:12,309 --> 02:30:10,960
the middleman

4074
02:30:13,270 --> 02:30:12,319
well all of this is going to go on a

4075
02:30:15,830 --> 02:30:13,280
report

4076
02:30:18,870 --> 02:30:15,840
the the the office

4077
02:30:20,389 --> 02:30:18,880
the uaup program office is going to be

4078
02:30:22,710 --> 02:30:20,399
getting these reports and then they have

4079
02:30:25,030 --> 02:30:22,720
to do all the analysis and everything

4080
02:30:26,950 --> 02:30:25,040
this this thing prescribes

4081
02:30:28,870 --> 02:30:26,960
but then they have to frequently report

4082
02:30:30,389 --> 02:30:28,880
back to these committees

4083
02:30:31,910 --> 02:30:30,399
and the committees have to trust that

4084
02:30:33,670 --> 02:30:31,920
the people in this office are giving

4085
02:30:35,429 --> 02:30:33,680
them accurate information and sharing

4086
02:30:36,469 --> 02:30:35,439
proper information that was shared with

4087
02:30:39,110 --> 02:30:36,479
them

4088
02:30:40,790 --> 02:30:39,120
well yeah i mean um i know i'm being a

4089
02:30:43,030 --> 02:30:40,800
little cynical there but

4090
02:30:44,469 --> 02:30:43,040
they are

4091
02:30:48,389 --> 02:30:44,479
all right keep talking i'm gonna mute

4092
02:30:51,750 --> 02:30:50,150
so um

4093
02:30:53,349 --> 02:30:51,760
this this specifically talks about the

4094
02:30:56,070 --> 02:30:53,359
sharing of information

4095
02:30:58,710 --> 02:30:56,080
and uh i'm assuming that means

4096
02:31:00,550 --> 02:30:58,720
across channels um

4097
02:31:03,429 --> 02:31:00,560
so the sharing of this information

4098
02:31:04,790 --> 02:31:03,439
provides for immediate sharing with

4099
02:31:07,270 --> 02:31:04,800
uaup

4100
02:31:09,110 --> 02:31:07,280
program office personnel and supporting

4101
02:31:10,950 --> 02:31:09,120
analysts and scientists of information

4102
02:31:13,270 --> 02:31:10,960
previously prohibited

4103
02:31:15,110 --> 02:31:13,280
from reporting under any non-disclosure

4104
02:31:16,710 --> 02:31:15,120
written or oral agreement

4105
02:31:18,950 --> 02:31:16,720
order or other

4106
02:31:21,030 --> 02:31:18,960
instrumentality or means

4107
02:31:23,190 --> 02:31:21,040
except in cases

4108
02:31:24,710 --> 02:31:23,200
where these cleared government personnel

4109
02:31:26,230 --> 02:31:24,720
that are administering the system

4110
02:31:28,230 --> 02:31:26,240
conclude that

4111
02:31:31,670 --> 02:31:28,240
the preponderance of information the

4112
02:31:33,910 --> 02:31:31,680
total body of the information available

4113
02:31:36,550 --> 02:31:33,920
regarding the reporting indicates that

4114
02:31:39,110 --> 02:31:36,560
the observed object and associated

4115
02:31:41,830 --> 02:31:39,120
events and activities likely relate to a

4116
02:31:43,750 --> 02:31:41,840
special access program or compartmented

4117
02:31:45,110 --> 02:31:43,760
access program that as of the date of

4118
02:31:46,389 --> 02:31:45,120
the reporting

4119
02:31:48,230 --> 02:31:46,399
has been

4120
02:31:49,990 --> 02:31:48,240
reported to congressional defense

4121
02:31:51,910 --> 02:31:50,000
committees

4122
02:31:54,150 --> 02:31:51,920
um and the congressional intelligence

4123
02:31:56,469 --> 02:31:54,160
communities and is documented as meeting

4124
02:31:58,070 --> 02:31:56,479
those criteria so this is where you get

4125
02:32:00,950 --> 02:31:58,080
into there's something called

4126
02:32:04,150 --> 02:32:00,960
commensurate um

4127
02:32:05,910 --> 02:32:04,160
what was it ccms consensus commensurate

4128
02:32:07,429 --> 02:32:05,920
control measures

4129
02:32:09,429 --> 02:32:07,439
um

4130
02:32:10,389 --> 02:32:09,439
and we can that's that's sort of a deep

4131
02:32:11,910 --> 02:32:10,399
dive

4132
02:32:14,150 --> 02:32:11,920
into

4133
02:32:16,630 --> 02:32:14,160
um

4134
02:32:18,070 --> 02:32:16,640
into how these

4135
02:32:21,910 --> 02:32:18,080
programs

4136
02:32:25,510 --> 02:32:21,920
you know are managed as far as saps and

4137
02:32:27,270 --> 02:32:25,520
usaps and so forth

4138
02:32:28,870 --> 02:32:27,280
so what they're saying is here it's it's

4139
02:32:30,870 --> 02:32:28,880
going to be reported

4140
02:32:33,910 --> 02:32:30,880
and

4141
02:32:35,270 --> 02:32:33,920
regardless of a non-disclosure agreement

4142
02:32:37,349 --> 02:32:35,280
except

4143
02:32:38,870 --> 02:32:37,359
if you're reporting on something that is

4144
02:32:41,910 --> 02:32:38,880
a bona fide

4145
02:32:43,190 --> 02:32:41,920
pre-existing previously reported and

4146
02:32:44,630 --> 02:32:43,200
previously

4147
02:32:46,150 --> 02:32:44,640
overseen

4148
02:32:48,469 --> 02:32:46,160
meaning it's on the list for

4149
02:32:50,150 --> 02:32:48,479
congressional oversight of the list of

4150
02:32:53,429 --> 02:32:50,160
programs that congress

4151
02:32:55,670 --> 02:32:53,439
has purview over uh if you're if you're

4152
02:32:57,270 --> 02:32:55,680
reporting something that's about a known

4153
02:32:59,510 --> 02:32:57,280
program that has a legitimate

4154
02:33:01,590 --> 02:32:59,520
classification at whatever level that

4155
02:33:02,469 --> 02:33:01,600
does require protection then

4156
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:02,479
um

4157
02:33:11,190 --> 02:33:09,510
in other words it said it says that cell

4158
02:33:12,950 --> 02:33:11,200
provide for immediate sharing with

4159
02:33:14,950 --> 02:33:12,960
office personnel

4160
02:33:16,790 --> 02:33:14,960
um

4161
02:33:19,590 --> 02:33:16,800
this information well

4162
02:33:21,190 --> 02:33:19,600
except in cases where

4163
02:33:22,070 --> 02:33:21,200
would they conclude

4164
02:33:25,270 --> 02:33:22,080
that

4165
02:33:27,750 --> 02:33:25,280
it's related to a special access program

4166
02:33:29,990 --> 02:33:27,760
or some other compartmented program that

4167
02:33:31,510 --> 02:33:30,000
is

4168
02:33:33,270 --> 02:33:31,520
already reported to congress in other

4169
02:33:34,870 --> 02:33:33,280
words they're already aware of it mike

4170
02:33:35,910 --> 02:33:34,880
let me interrupt you quick aim sog is

4171
02:33:38,550 --> 02:33:35,920
going to be done with right they're

4172
02:33:40,870 --> 02:33:38,560
starting over it didn't work

4173
02:33:42,309 --> 02:33:40,880
as far as i know they have they have not

4174
02:33:44,070 --> 02:33:42,319
they have not come up with the office

4175
02:33:46,230 --> 02:33:44,080
name no appropriations is that how you

4176
02:33:48,070 --> 02:33:46,240
understand it or no

4177
02:33:49,830 --> 02:33:48,080
i didn't see it mentioned in here but i

4178
02:33:50,870 --> 02:33:49,840
thought that was a little baffling

4179
02:33:52,790 --> 02:33:50,880
yeah

4180
02:33:54,389 --> 02:33:52,800
i think

4181
02:33:56,070 --> 02:33:54,399
so they i don't think they even gave it

4182
02:33:58,389 --> 02:33:56,080
legitimacy

4183
02:34:01,030 --> 02:33:58,399
perhaps i'm speculating

4184
02:34:02,389 --> 02:34:01,040
that that was intentional

4185
02:34:04,150 --> 02:34:02,399
right because it

4186
02:34:06,469 --> 02:34:04,160
you know the uap task force were the

4187
02:34:07,590 --> 02:34:06,479
guys that came and testified a few weeks

4188
02:34:09,349 --> 02:34:07,600
ago

4189
02:34:11,190 --> 02:34:09,359
were they not

4190
02:34:14,070 --> 02:34:11,200
yes um

4191
02:34:16,230 --> 02:34:14,080
aimsog is not going to be going forward

4192
02:34:18,309 --> 02:34:16,240
it's going to be something new i don't

4193
02:34:20,150 --> 02:34:18,319
know if they specifically were upset but

4194
02:34:21,349 --> 02:34:20,160
like you said getting they were not

4195
02:34:23,110 --> 02:34:21,359
getting what they wanted and they're

4196
02:34:25,670 --> 02:34:23,120
starting from scratch here

4197
02:34:28,389 --> 02:34:25,680
um that's what i am yeah i think this is

4198
02:34:32,150 --> 02:34:28,399
sort of a bull in the in the aimsaw

4199
02:34:34,790 --> 02:34:32,160
china closet this bill is saying hey

4200
02:34:36,230 --> 02:34:34,800
pack it up we're dissatisfied

4201
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:36,240
um

4202
02:34:39,510 --> 02:34:38,080
then they go into initial reporting and

4203
02:34:40,710 --> 02:34:39,520
publication

4204
02:34:44,630 --> 02:34:40,720
there's something in there that talks

4205
02:34:47,190 --> 02:34:44,640
about a program that is specifically

4206
02:34:48,710 --> 02:34:47,200
it says you know special access programs

4207
02:34:50,870 --> 02:34:48,720
that are specifically reported to

4208
02:34:53,670 --> 02:34:50,880
congress is there any room in there at

4209
02:34:55,190 --> 02:34:53,680
all for programs like a alleged crash

4210
02:34:56,710 --> 02:34:55,200
retrieval program that wasn't reported

4211
02:34:58,309 --> 02:34:56,720
properly

4212
02:34:59,990 --> 02:34:58,319
for that information to come out or is

4213
02:35:01,190 --> 02:35:00,000
it like you said i think you said to me

4214
02:35:02,710 --> 02:35:01,200
it doesn't matter it still has a

4215
02:35:04,550 --> 02:35:02,720
classification level and it's got to

4216
02:35:08,630 --> 02:35:04,560
follow the same rules as anything else

4217
02:35:13,590 --> 02:35:11,429
well i i i don't know that there are

4218
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:13,600
unreported programs

4219
02:35:17,590 --> 02:35:16,080
um alleged a legend allegedly there's

4220
02:35:20,230 --> 02:35:17,600
four at least four yeah

4221
02:35:23,270 --> 02:35:20,240
thank you unreported programs well so

4222
02:35:25,670 --> 02:35:23,280
that's a good word allegedly

4223
02:35:27,670 --> 02:35:25,680
the the obfuscation that that they've

4224
02:35:30,150 --> 02:35:27,680
that they've used

4225
02:35:32,469 --> 02:35:30,160
you know with the shell companies and

4226
02:35:34,230 --> 02:35:32,479
third-party subcontractors

4227
02:35:35,830 --> 02:35:34,240
that then hire a major aerospace

4228
02:35:37,349 --> 02:35:35,840
corporation a division of a major

4229
02:35:38,950 --> 02:35:37,359
aerospace corporation and that's where

4230
02:35:41,429 --> 02:35:38,960
it's you know it's like

4231
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:41,439
third and fourth levels removed

4232
02:35:47,270 --> 02:35:42,160
from

4233
02:35:51,270 --> 02:35:47,280
that on a committee review

4234
02:35:55,670 --> 02:35:54,150
you know anything's possible right

4235
02:35:57,830 --> 02:35:55,680
anything's possible

4236
02:36:00,230 --> 02:35:57,840
right about uh i mean there are some

4237
02:36:02,469 --> 02:36:00,240
some things are hidden on purpose

4238
02:36:04,389 --> 02:36:02,479
uh with

4239
02:36:06,469 --> 02:36:04,399
not with malicious intent

4240
02:36:08,389 --> 02:36:06,479
and other things could be i mean maybe

4241
02:36:10,950 --> 02:36:08,399
these aren't if they exist aren't hidden

4242
02:36:12,469 --> 02:36:10,960
on malicious intent they're hidden right

4243
02:36:14,950 --> 02:36:12,479
for some of the same reasons that sort

4244
02:36:16,870 --> 02:36:14,960
of kent green kid green um

4245
02:36:18,469 --> 02:36:16,880
went into

4246
02:36:19,830 --> 02:36:18,479
about yeah basically they don't trust

4247
02:36:21,429 --> 02:36:19,840
the public with this information the

4248
02:36:23,110 --> 02:36:21,439
public doesn't care the public watches

4249
02:36:25,429 --> 02:36:23,120
football on sunday and basically we're

4250
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:25,439
not good enough to know this information

4251
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:27,439
let me interrupt you again i'm working

4252
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:29,520
in a special access program about ufos

4253
02:36:32,630 --> 02:36:30,880
that has not been reported i want to

4254
02:36:34,710 --> 02:36:32,640
come forward and speak

4255
02:36:36,389 --> 02:36:34,720
the people i speak to how do they get

4256
02:36:38,230 --> 02:36:36,399
how do they get right into the proper

4257
02:36:41,349 --> 02:36:38,240
level of what am right into on the crash

4258
02:36:43,349 --> 02:36:41,359
retrieval program how do you do that

4259
02:36:44,630 --> 02:36:43,359
i don't i i don't think you even get

4260
02:36:47,830 --> 02:36:44,640
that far

4261
02:36:49,990 --> 02:36:47,840
uh you you wouldn't because of your life

4262
02:36:53,030 --> 02:36:50,000
not your physical life because of your

4263
02:36:56,550 --> 02:36:53,040
livelihood and your employment

4264
02:36:59,510 --> 02:36:56,560
and your dedication to duty

4265
02:37:01,190 --> 02:36:59,520
you're not going to just

4266
02:37:02,870 --> 02:37:01,200
call up some committee and say hey this

4267
02:37:05,349 --> 02:37:02,880
is me i want to go

4268
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:05,359
before you and testify about what i'm

4269
02:37:08,150 --> 02:37:06,720
working on

4270
02:37:09,270 --> 02:37:08,160
you would have to go through proper

4271
02:37:10,550 --> 02:37:09,280
channels

4272
02:37:13,190 --> 02:37:10,560
and i don't

4273
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:13,200
i didn't recognize that in here as but

4274
02:37:17,590 --> 02:37:15,280
that is would be the natural course of

4275
02:37:18,950 --> 02:37:17,600
events there is going to be an enormous

4276
02:37:20,630 --> 02:37:18,960
amount of

4277
02:37:22,630 --> 02:37:20,640
for that to happen there would have to

4278
02:37:24,150 --> 02:37:22,640
be an enormous amount of coordination

4279
02:37:26,870 --> 02:37:24,160
because these programs would have to

4280
02:37:31,349 --> 02:37:29,110
number one are we under the microscope

4281
02:37:32,469 --> 02:37:31,359
they may want to keep moving around and

4282
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:32,479
hiding but

4283
02:37:37,030 --> 02:37:34,560
you know they may have to throw in the

4284
02:37:39,670 --> 02:37:37,040
towel and say okay

4285
02:37:43,750 --> 02:37:39,680
what are we about what what can what

4286
02:37:45,349 --> 02:37:43,760
what can we reasonably provide

4287
02:37:46,630 --> 02:37:45,359
and it may be

4288
02:37:47,750 --> 02:37:46,640
very little

4289
02:37:50,070 --> 02:37:47,760
um

4290
02:37:53,110 --> 02:37:50,080
to to a committee

4291
02:37:55,429 --> 02:37:53,120
they may say that uh look what's going

4292
02:37:58,630 --> 02:37:55,439
on here is beyond

4293
02:37:59,590 --> 02:37:58,640
super secret double double super triple

4294
02:38:01,990 --> 02:37:59,600
secret

4295
02:38:04,950 --> 02:38:02,000
this stuff is like

4296
02:38:07,110 --> 02:38:04,960
you'll understand when we read you in

4297
02:38:09,830 --> 02:38:07,120
but we're only going to we want to maybe

4298
02:38:11,190 --> 02:38:09,840
a liaison

4299
02:38:12,950 --> 02:38:11,200
from your committee

4300
02:38:14,790 --> 02:38:12,960
we'll read him in we're going to tell

4301
02:38:16,550 --> 02:38:14,800
him what he can tell you

4302
02:38:18,630 --> 02:38:16,560
um you know they're not going to have a

4303
02:38:20,070 --> 02:38:18,640
walk through a dog and pony show of the

4304
02:38:22,150 --> 02:38:20,080
committee

4305
02:38:24,870 --> 02:38:22,160
traveling out to some site

4306
02:38:27,750 --> 02:38:24,880
going in this facility and seeing a

4307
02:38:29,349 --> 02:38:27,760
i just don't see that happening

4308
02:38:31,510 --> 02:38:29,359
this is going to have to be highly

4309
02:38:32,950 --> 02:38:31,520
because things will get out of hand so

4310
02:38:34,309 --> 02:38:32,960
this is going to have to be highly

4311
02:38:36,710 --> 02:38:34,319
coordinated

4312
02:38:38,950 --> 02:38:36,720
if it comes to fruition

4313
02:38:46,150 --> 02:38:38,960
um

4314
02:38:47,349 --> 02:38:46,160
i don't know afraid of past actions and

4315
02:38:50,070 --> 02:38:47,359
and whatever

4316
02:38:51,110 --> 02:38:50,080
uh or skirting the law by hiding program

4317
02:38:53,830 --> 02:38:51,120
who knows

4318
02:38:55,670 --> 02:38:53,840
but you have to do it the right way

4319
02:38:57,590 --> 02:38:55,680
because you don't want to

4320
02:38:59,670 --> 02:38:57,600
in at the end of the day

4321
02:39:03,190 --> 02:38:59,680
you know we see so much silliness coming

4322
02:39:07,429 --> 02:39:05,510
you don't want to make a mess of a

4323
02:39:10,230 --> 02:39:07,439
legitimate

4324
02:39:12,950 --> 02:39:10,240
protected program that has real

4325
02:39:14,710 --> 02:39:12,960
potential benefits for the defense

4326
02:39:16,230 --> 02:39:14,720
or the national security of this nation

4327
02:39:17,990 --> 02:39:16,240
so

4328
02:39:19,910 --> 02:39:18,000
you have to be very careful it's it's

4329
02:39:21,590 --> 02:39:19,920
not going to start with employees going

4330
02:39:23,030 --> 02:39:21,600
hey i want to go

4331
02:39:23,910 --> 02:39:23,040
they're probably going to get briefed on

4332
02:39:25,429 --> 02:39:23,920
hey

4333
02:39:27,830 --> 02:39:25,439
we know you're probably aware this is

4334
02:39:31,510 --> 02:39:27,840
going on on the hill

4335
02:39:34,950 --> 02:39:33,670
how to communicate what we're doing i i

4336
02:39:37,590 --> 02:39:34,960
don't know how that's going to play out

4337
02:39:39,429 --> 02:39:37,600
but there will be

4338
02:39:41,510 --> 02:39:39,439
a lot of serious introspection and

4339
02:39:43,670 --> 02:39:41,520
coordination going on yeah and from what

4340
02:39:44,950 --> 02:39:43,680
i've heard and uh what we talked about

4341
02:39:46,469 --> 02:39:44,960
earlier there are people that want to

4342
02:39:48,389 --> 02:39:46,479
talk about this but it's going to take a

4343
02:39:50,070 --> 02:39:48,399
long time and and we spoke earlier you

4344
02:39:51,349 --> 02:39:50,080
said it's not you just can't

4345
02:39:53,510 --> 02:39:51,359
somebody mentioned you just can't go to

4346
02:39:55,030 --> 02:39:53,520
the media you know immunity slash

4347
02:39:56,389 --> 02:39:55,040
amnesty whatever you just can't go to

4348
02:39:57,670 --> 02:39:56,399
the media or you can't you're not gonna

4349
02:40:00,150 --> 02:39:57,680
be able to speak to the public you'll be

4350
02:40:01,910 --> 02:40:00,160
able to speak to this office and whether

4351
02:40:03,910 --> 02:40:01,920
yeah somebody mentioned you know they

4352
02:40:06,790 --> 02:40:03,920
need an office needs some sort of audit

4353
02:40:08,870 --> 02:40:06,800
or do you trust the office but it's that

4354
02:40:10,870 --> 02:40:08,880
easy that exactly how that's going to

4355
02:40:13,269 --> 02:40:10,880
happen i don't think they've even it's

4356
02:40:14,870 --> 02:40:13,279
not written about in here exactly how

4357
02:40:16,950 --> 02:40:14,880
it's going to carry all that out it's

4358
02:40:18,150 --> 02:40:16,960
really like you said it's going to be

4359
02:40:20,790 --> 02:40:18,160
very difficult to put everything

4360
02:40:22,550 --> 02:40:20,800
together and this is just the first step

4361
02:40:24,309 --> 02:40:22,560
so i think you're almost done we take

4362
02:40:25,750 --> 02:40:24,319
questions you you tell me whatever you

4363
02:40:27,590 --> 02:40:25,760
have to say what about what i just said

4364
02:40:29,269 --> 02:40:27,600
if you want

4365
02:40:30,870 --> 02:40:29,279
now i'm ready

4366
02:40:32,790 --> 02:40:30,880
so we'll just finish up with this

4367
02:40:36,150 --> 02:40:32,800
they're going to be asking for all

4368
02:40:37,429 --> 02:40:36,160
records of non-dis of these ndas

4369
02:40:38,710 --> 02:40:37,439
um

4370
02:40:40,469 --> 02:40:38,720
they're calling it in the section

4371
02:40:42,309 --> 02:40:40,479
identification of non-disclosure

4372
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:42,319
agreements okay

4373
02:40:49,269 --> 02:40:46,830
they're gonna say that

4374
02:40:50,469 --> 02:40:49,279
um the heads of these departments and

4375
02:40:51,990 --> 02:40:50,479
agencies of the federal government that

4376
02:40:54,309 --> 02:40:52,000
have supported investigations of the

4377
02:40:56,469 --> 02:40:54,319
types of events covered above

4378
02:40:58,150 --> 02:40:56,479
and activities and programs described in

4379
02:40:59,429 --> 02:40:58,160
subparagraph b

4380
02:41:00,830 --> 02:40:59,439
blah blah blah

4381
02:41:03,510 --> 02:41:00,840
shall conduct a

4382
02:41:05,590 --> 02:41:03,520
comprehensive search of all records

4383
02:41:07,190 --> 02:41:05,600
relating to ndas or agreements or other

4384
02:41:09,030 --> 02:41:07,200
obligations relating to the types of

4385
02:41:11,510 --> 02:41:09,040
events described in the subsection and

4386
02:41:12,790 --> 02:41:11,520
provide copies of all of these documents

4387
02:41:14,550 --> 02:41:12,800
to the office

4388
02:41:16,469 --> 02:41:14,560
so they're they're basic it's sort of an

4389
02:41:18,389 --> 02:41:16,479
evidentiary thing right they're they're

4390
02:41:20,790 --> 02:41:18,399
going they're looking for the paper

4391
02:41:24,630 --> 02:41:22,230
right so if you've got to look if you've

4392
02:41:26,950 --> 02:41:24,640
got a program that's hidden

4393
02:41:28,389 --> 02:41:26,960
it's hidden for good reasons then and

4394
02:41:29,750 --> 02:41:28,399
you've done it the right way then you're

4395
02:41:30,469 --> 02:41:29,760
going to have the right documentation

4396
02:41:32,630 --> 02:41:30,479
you're going to have the right

4397
02:41:34,230 --> 02:41:32,640
clearances for the people on file you're

4398
02:41:37,590 --> 02:41:34,240
going to have the right agreements

4399
02:41:39,030 --> 02:41:37,600
signed ndas or otherwise

4400
02:41:40,790 --> 02:41:39,040
so maybe

4401
02:41:43,269 --> 02:41:40,800
maybe that's how far it goes maybe

4402
02:41:45,269 --> 02:41:43,279
that's as far as it can go is oh we

4403
02:41:47,590 --> 02:41:45,279
found these ndas that relate to this

4404
02:41:49,030 --> 02:41:47,600
program that is so super

4405
02:41:51,030 --> 02:41:49,040
sensitive that

4406
02:41:52,950 --> 02:41:51,040
we're going to stop there they they

4407
02:41:55,590 --> 02:41:52,960
could and on under their own volition

4408
02:41:58,230 --> 02:41:55,600
they could decide they the committees

4409
02:42:02,230 --> 02:41:58,240
that okay we kind of get the picture of

4410
02:42:04,070 --> 02:42:02,240
what's going on at corporation xyz

4411
02:42:07,590 --> 02:42:04,080
we kind of get the picture now let's say

4412
02:42:11,990 --> 02:42:07,600
after a year of this thing running

4413
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:12,000
and they may begin to understand

4414
02:42:17,429 --> 02:42:14,640
know allegedly the gravity

4415
02:42:20,309 --> 02:42:17,439
the gravity of the alleged

4416
02:42:22,630 --> 02:42:20,319
truth behind all of this and they may

4417
02:42:24,309 --> 02:42:22,640
put the brakes on themselves and and

4418
02:42:26,389 --> 02:42:24,319
decide to say

4419
02:42:28,630 --> 02:42:26,399
some higher level blanket

4420
02:42:29,910 --> 02:42:28,640
statement or paragraph to the american

4421
02:42:31,190 --> 02:42:29,920
people

4422
02:42:35,190 --> 02:42:31,200
yes

4423
02:42:37,750 --> 02:42:35,200
this

4424
02:42:38,870 --> 02:42:37,760
yes research is ongoing it is a great

4425
02:42:41,990 --> 02:42:38,880
mystery

4426
02:42:45,349 --> 02:42:43,910
the one thing for sure is that we don't

4427
02:42:47,750 --> 02:42:45,359
think we're alone

4428
02:42:50,230 --> 02:42:47,760
or whatever right who knows do you see

4429
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:50,240
that on the screen

4430
02:42:54,309 --> 02:42:51,840
that's for you

4431
02:42:56,870 --> 02:42:54,319
i'll let you say reading of this

4432
02:42:59,190 --> 02:42:56,880
somebody working on an off the books sap

4433
02:43:01,590 --> 02:42:59,200
can report it to this office the unnamed

4434
02:43:03,030 --> 02:43:01,600
office under amnesty that makes sense so

4435
02:43:04,710 --> 02:43:03,040
perhaps the rules mike is talking about

4436
02:43:06,389 --> 02:43:04,720
doesn't don't apply

4437
02:43:09,590 --> 02:43:06,399
but i think you basically said the rules

4438
02:43:13,349 --> 02:43:11,590
well

4439
02:43:14,870 --> 02:43:13,359
i just don't know what's going to happen

4440
02:43:16,790 --> 02:43:14,880
because i don't know the ultimate

4441
02:43:18,389 --> 02:43:16,800
sensitivity of those of those programs

4442
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:18,399
if they exist

4443
02:43:24,469 --> 02:43:21,279
and the sensitivity meaning the risk if

4444
02:43:26,469 --> 02:43:24,479
they were compromised the risk

4445
02:43:27,590 --> 02:43:26,479
if the if the

4446
02:43:29,349 --> 02:43:27,600
um

4447
02:43:31,750 --> 02:43:29,359
if their existence

4448
02:43:34,150 --> 02:43:31,760
and the

4449
02:43:36,710 --> 02:43:34,160
scope of their work

4450
02:43:38,469 --> 02:43:36,720
were compromised

4451
02:43:39,269 --> 02:43:38,479
to our adversaries

4452
02:43:41,269 --> 02:43:39,279
um

4453
02:43:42,150 --> 02:43:41,279
if the risk would be so great is to

4454
02:43:45,750 --> 02:43:42,160
cause

4455
02:43:45,760 --> 02:43:54,230
you muted yourself

4456
02:43:58,309 --> 02:43:55,830
can you hear me

4457
02:44:00,710 --> 02:43:58,319
yeah god

4458
02:44:02,309 --> 02:44:00,720
anyway if they determine that it's that

4459
02:44:04,790 --> 02:44:02,319
you know

4460
02:44:07,510 --> 02:44:04,800
the program is so sensitive that it that

4461
02:44:09,110 --> 02:44:07,520
it ranks according to executive order

4462
02:44:10,389 --> 02:44:09,120
uh top secret

4463
02:44:12,389 --> 02:44:10,399
whatever the

4464
02:44:15,990 --> 02:44:12,399
caveat is behind that

4465
02:44:20,630 --> 02:44:18,950
then it's gonna have to be managed

4466
02:44:22,309 --> 02:44:20,640
in this in in um

4467
02:44:25,510 --> 02:44:22,319
what am i trying to say here

4468
02:44:28,150 --> 02:44:25,520
these programs are managed

4469
02:44:30,309 --> 02:44:28,160
very meticulously

4470
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:30,319
very strictly

4471
02:44:35,110 --> 02:44:33,200
and with uh a lot of uh

4472
02:44:37,349 --> 02:44:35,120
intense caution

4473
02:44:39,910 --> 02:44:37,359
and maybe active

4474
02:44:41,429 --> 02:44:39,920
security measures or other

4475
02:44:43,269 --> 02:44:41,439
means um

4476
02:44:44,309 --> 02:44:43,279
to hide them

4477
02:44:45,910 --> 02:44:44,319
and

4478
02:44:47,830 --> 02:44:45,920
they're they're not done that way

4479
02:44:49,830 --> 02:44:47,840
because it's cool to be like james bond

4480
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:49,840
or whatever if they're done that way

4481
02:44:53,590 --> 02:44:51,680
to prevent them from being discovered by

4482
02:44:57,510 --> 02:44:53,600
our adversaries

4483
02:45:00,070 --> 02:44:57,520
if they're that sensitive um

4484
02:45:02,150 --> 02:45:00,080
even if it's an off the records program

4485
02:45:05,830 --> 02:45:02,160
it's still going to be run within that

4486
02:45:09,670 --> 02:45:08,230
there's there's a methodology to locking

4487
02:45:11,910 --> 02:45:09,680
programs down

4488
02:45:15,190 --> 02:45:11,920
to backgrounding all your people

4489
02:45:16,790 --> 02:45:15,200
to allowing access or limiting access

4490
02:45:19,190 --> 02:45:16,800
um

4491
02:45:22,630 --> 02:45:19,200
i i don't i think i i don't see where

4492
02:45:24,950 --> 02:45:22,640
this gives cart blocks to to anybody

4493
02:45:27,510 --> 02:45:24,960
to come forward all the way

4494
02:45:29,990 --> 02:45:27,520
i think it makes the discovery it's it's

4495
02:45:32,550 --> 02:45:30,000
a good start on discovery

4496
02:45:33,429 --> 02:45:32,560
um sort of panning gold panning if you

4497
02:45:34,950 --> 02:45:33,439
will

4498
02:45:36,309 --> 02:45:34,960
they're sifting they're gonna start

4499
02:45:39,670 --> 02:45:36,319
sifting

4500
02:45:41,030 --> 02:45:39,680
it won't happen overnight but right

4501
02:45:42,870 --> 02:45:41,040
and and you know

4502
02:45:45,349 --> 02:45:42,880
the committees are going to become aware

4503
02:45:47,030 --> 02:45:45,359
of whatever the reality is

4504
02:45:49,429 --> 02:45:47,040
um either

4505
02:45:52,469 --> 02:45:49,439
abruptly or as they

4506
02:45:55,429 --> 02:45:52,479
are given information over time

4507
02:45:57,510 --> 02:45:55,439
and so this this raw enthusiasm that's

4508
02:45:59,990 --> 02:45:57,520
expressed here

4509
02:46:02,150 --> 02:46:00,000
maybe enthusiasm is the wrong word but

4510
02:46:04,150 --> 02:46:02,160
certainly the vigilance

4511
02:46:05,670 --> 02:46:04,160
and the thoroughness with which

4512
02:46:07,429 --> 02:46:05,680
they're talking about how they're going

4513
02:46:10,469 --> 02:46:07,439
to go after this information and run

4514
02:46:12,150 --> 02:46:10,479
this program

4515
02:46:15,510 --> 02:46:12,160
it's going to probably have

4516
02:46:17,670 --> 02:46:15,520
a lot of constraints on it

4517
02:46:19,510 --> 02:46:17,680
they have to be careful

4518
02:46:21,510 --> 02:46:19,520
right

4519
02:46:23,429 --> 02:46:21,520
it's like

4520
02:46:24,950 --> 02:46:23,439
depending on what they no i i agree

4521
02:46:27,429 --> 02:46:24,960
depending what the story is i mean

4522
02:46:29,110 --> 02:46:27,439
obviously me personally i want all of it

4523
02:46:31,190 --> 02:46:29,120
but i know there are ramifications

4524
02:46:32,950 --> 02:46:31,200
whether it's technological or

4525
02:46:35,429 --> 02:46:32,960
world shattering

4526
02:46:39,269 --> 02:46:35,439
information for a lot of people um i'm

4527
02:46:41,990 --> 02:46:39,279
in i mean one last thing i can i can see

4528
02:46:44,389 --> 02:46:42,000
it is uh very highly likely in some

4529
02:46:47,429 --> 02:46:44,399
instances that they will

4530
02:46:48,469 --> 02:46:47,439
rather than submit information or report

4531
02:46:51,349 --> 02:46:48,479
something

4532
02:46:55,030 --> 02:46:51,359
or go brief on the hill

4533
02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:55,040
that members of members

4534
02:47:02,309 --> 02:46:57,680
select members perhaps

4535
02:47:05,590 --> 02:47:02,319
or their designees will be invited

4536
02:47:09,750 --> 02:47:05,600
to come to wherever it is

4537
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:11,030
walk-through

4538
02:47:16,230 --> 02:47:13,040
limited hangout

4539
02:47:18,950 --> 02:47:16,240
limited

4540
02:47:23,349 --> 02:47:21,750
tour right for lack of a better word you

4541
02:47:25,510 --> 02:47:23,359
know and and that way they keep it

4542
02:47:27,110 --> 02:47:25,520
enclosed there and when the senator or

4543
02:47:28,870 --> 02:47:27,120
the congressman arrives when he lands

4544
02:47:30,710 --> 02:47:28,880
and gets off the plane the first thing

4545
02:47:33,030 --> 02:47:30,720
he does is walk into this facility's

4546
02:47:34,870 --> 02:47:33,040
office with the security rep program

4547
02:47:36,630 --> 02:47:34,880
manager and he's going to sign a

4548
02:47:38,150 --> 02:47:36,640
statement saying that what you see here

4549
02:47:40,630 --> 02:47:38,160
stays here

4550
02:47:42,070 --> 02:47:40,640
uh until your toes up

4551
02:47:43,910 --> 02:47:42,080
um

4552
02:47:45,910 --> 02:47:43,920
you know sign your name there and put

4553
02:47:47,110 --> 02:47:45,920
your badge on and follow us

4554
02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:47,120
yeah

4555
02:47:52,550 --> 02:47:49,840
right and and that's fair if if it

4556
02:47:53,670 --> 02:47:52,560
requires that if if it's that sensitive

4557
02:47:55,910 --> 02:47:53,680
that doesn't

4558
02:47:57,510 --> 02:47:55,920
but that's stuff though there's there

4559
02:47:59,510 --> 02:47:57,520
are so many layers to this

4560
02:48:01,269 --> 02:47:59,520
again that's all speculation

4561
02:48:04,309 --> 02:48:01,279
that all we're saying that allegedly

4562
02:48:05,830 --> 02:48:04,319
this stuff exists or as it is alleged

4563
02:48:07,269 --> 02:48:05,840
um

4564
02:48:08,710 --> 02:48:07,279
you just can't give the keys to the

4565
02:48:10,950 --> 02:48:08,720
kingdom to

4566
02:48:12,309 --> 02:48:10,960
to the entire committee or everybody on

4567
02:48:14,870 --> 02:48:12,319
capitol hill or

4568
02:48:17,110 --> 02:48:14,880
or whatever you just can't

4569
02:48:18,550 --> 02:48:17,120
it will not happen

4570
02:48:20,950 --> 02:48:18,560
that's not the way that's not the way

4571
02:48:22,469 --> 02:48:20,960
you handle your your nation's most

4572
02:48:24,230 --> 02:48:22,479
sensitive information

4573
02:48:26,389 --> 02:48:24,240
and i have questions building up so if

4574
02:48:28,469 --> 02:48:26,399
you're done let me know i think we're at

4575
02:48:33,590 --> 02:48:28,479
the close here

4576
02:48:37,030 --> 02:48:35,349
this is just saying that you can come

4577
02:48:38,389 --> 02:48:37,040
forward and it won't be a violation of

4578
02:48:40,550 --> 02:48:38,399
any law

4579
02:48:41,750 --> 02:48:40,560
uh there's not going to be any tribunal

4580
02:48:45,750 --> 02:48:41,760
against you

4581
02:48:47,349 --> 02:48:45,760
for reporting information um

4582
02:48:48,950 --> 02:48:47,359
and then people have prohibited from

4583
02:48:51,030 --> 02:48:48,960
reprisals

4584
02:48:52,870 --> 02:48:51,040
things of that nature you can sue them

4585
02:48:53,990 --> 02:48:52,880
if somebody comes after you is basically

4586
02:48:55,990 --> 02:48:54,000
what it says which i don't know if

4587
02:48:57,990 --> 02:48:56,000
that's enough of an encouragement to

4588
02:48:59,750 --> 02:48:58,000
come forward oh yeah they just uh

4589
02:49:01,349 --> 02:48:59,760
whatever you could sue them but there

4590
02:49:02,950 --> 02:49:01,359
are people i believe i'm sure if we

4591
02:49:04,710 --> 02:49:02,960
believe the stories allegedly who are

4592
02:49:06,710 --> 02:49:04,720
afraid to come forward because there

4593
02:49:08,469 --> 02:49:06,720
have been alleged you know intimidation

4594
02:49:09,429 --> 02:49:08,479
over the decades

4595
02:49:12,309 --> 02:49:09,439
yeah

4596
02:49:13,590 --> 02:49:12,319
so to sum up i mean well really to to

4597
02:49:16,230 --> 02:49:13,600
the last two things here pretty

4598
02:49:17,830 --> 02:49:16,240
interesting the inspectors general uh

4599
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:17,840
are going to get involved and they're

4600
02:49:22,950 --> 02:49:20,560
going to do an assessment of the of how

4601
02:49:24,710 --> 02:49:22,960
all of the affected parties agencies

4602
02:49:27,349 --> 02:49:24,720
elements organizations

4603
02:49:28,630 --> 02:49:27,359
how they're responding to this law okay

4604
02:49:29,990 --> 02:49:28,640
they're going to do an assessment on the

4605
02:49:31,990 --> 02:49:30,000
compliance

4606
02:49:34,230 --> 02:49:32,000
all right and then further down

4607
02:49:36,070 --> 02:49:34,240
there's a controller it's going to get

4608
02:49:37,910 --> 02:49:36,080
involved they want all of this

4609
02:49:40,790 --> 02:49:37,920
documented okay

4610
02:49:42,870 --> 02:49:40,800
compilation is required not later than a

4611
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:42,880
year after this is enacted the

4612
02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:44,880
comptroller general of the united states

4613
02:49:48,710 --> 02:49:46,319
will do a review of the records and

4614
02:49:51,110 --> 02:49:48,720
documents of the intelligence community

4615
02:49:53,110 --> 02:49:51,120
do oral history interviews open source

4616
02:49:54,870 --> 02:49:53,120
analytics analysis

4617
02:49:56,389 --> 02:49:54,880
of uh interviews of current former

4618
02:49:58,070 --> 02:49:56,399
government officials

4619
02:50:01,110 --> 02:49:58,080
classified unclassified national

4620
02:50:03,750 --> 02:50:01,120
archives so on and so forth

4621
02:50:05,830 --> 02:50:03,760
um including records obtained from

4622
02:50:08,710 --> 02:50:05,840
freedom of information act

4623
02:50:10,150 --> 02:50:08,720
and other historical sources whatever

4624
02:50:12,630 --> 02:50:10,160
the comptroller general considers

4625
02:50:13,830 --> 02:50:12,640
appropriate for the for the period

4626
02:50:15,910 --> 02:50:13,840
beginning

4627
02:50:19,590 --> 02:50:15,920
january 1st

4628
02:50:23,750 --> 02:50:22,150
yep ending on the uh date which the

4629
02:50:26,710 --> 02:50:23,760
controller completes his activities into

4630
02:50:28,630 --> 02:50:26,720
this subject that's that's a bombshell

4631
02:50:30,389 --> 02:50:28,640
yeah i was glad to see that and there's

4632
02:50:34,469 --> 02:50:30,399
also something about disinformation or

4633
02:50:35,830 --> 02:50:34,479
misinformation i think it's in this one

4634
02:50:37,990 --> 02:50:35,840
i don't know if you see it it should be

4635
02:50:40,070 --> 02:50:38,000
if it's towards the end well it says

4636
02:50:42,550 --> 02:50:40,080
that um

4637
02:50:45,110 --> 02:50:42,560
what they're looking for is to compile

4638
02:50:47,110 --> 02:50:45,120
a complete historical record of the ic's

4639
02:50:49,830 --> 02:50:47,120
involvement with uaup

4640
02:50:51,830 --> 02:50:49,840
including successful or unsuccessful

4641
02:50:53,750 --> 02:50:51,840
efforts to identify track

4642
02:50:56,070 --> 02:50:53,760
uaup

4643
02:50:58,389 --> 02:50:56,080
or any intelligence community efforts to

4644
02:51:00,870 --> 02:50:58,399
obfuscate there you go

4645
02:51:02,950 --> 02:51:00,880
manipulate public opinion hide or

4646
02:51:05,190 --> 02:51:02,960
otherwise provide unclassified or

4647
02:51:08,870 --> 02:51:05,200
classified misinformation

4648
02:51:12,630 --> 02:51:08,880
about uaup or related activities

4649
02:51:15,269 --> 02:51:13,990
susan goff

4650
02:51:17,510 --> 02:51:15,279
that's what people think about when they

4651
02:51:18,950 --> 02:51:17,520
hear that whether or not she's providing

4652
02:51:20,550 --> 02:51:18,960
misinformation or they're providing

4653
02:51:24,070 --> 02:51:20,560
misinformation to her and she's just

4654
02:51:27,030 --> 02:51:25,910
yeah assuming it's misinformation and

4655
02:51:28,870 --> 02:51:27,040
inaccurate

4656
02:51:30,950 --> 02:51:28,880
i think that's it though right that's

4657
02:51:32,309 --> 02:51:30,960
pretty much that's pretty much it

4658
02:51:33,590 --> 02:51:32,319
again i can send this to you with the

4659
02:51:34,469 --> 02:51:33,600
highlights and you can post that

4660
02:51:35,590 --> 02:51:34,479
somewhere

4661
02:51:37,190 --> 02:51:35,600
and i'm going to go through questions

4662
02:51:40,469 --> 02:51:37,200
quick because i know you have to eat we

4663
02:51:42,950 --> 02:51:40,479
have some let's see

4664
02:51:44,389 --> 02:51:42,960
oh you can answer them quick what can

4665
02:51:47,110 --> 02:51:44,399
people do to keep the pressure up for

4666
02:51:50,550 --> 02:51:47,120
disclosure any opinion on the ufo pack

4667
02:51:51,670 --> 02:51:50,560
that was launched last year

4668
02:51:53,510 --> 02:51:51,680
um

4669
02:51:55,750 --> 02:51:53,520
is that the one that is

4670
02:51:57,349 --> 02:51:55,760
what is the um it's just basically i

4671
02:52:00,550 --> 02:51:57,359
forget who it was but basically yeah

4672
02:52:02,070 --> 02:52:00,560
it's an influence and and um

4673
02:52:03,990 --> 02:52:02,080
the guy's got a name though he's been

4674
02:52:06,550 --> 02:52:04,000
around for a couple of decades it's not

4675
02:52:08,469 --> 02:52:06,560
stephen bassett it's another person

4676
02:52:09,510 --> 02:52:08,479
and yeah it's another pack it's another

4677
02:52:12,309 --> 02:52:09,520
pack

4678
02:52:15,030 --> 02:52:12,319
so yeah i would say my what i would tell

4679
02:52:16,790 --> 02:52:15,040
anybody is uh and i'm do do what you

4680
02:52:18,870 --> 02:52:16,800
want to do as an individual i wouldn't

4681
02:52:21,349 --> 02:52:18,880
spend a dime on this i would let the

4682
02:52:22,950 --> 02:52:21,359
people that we that we elect

4683
02:52:26,389 --> 02:52:22,960
um

4684
02:52:29,269 --> 02:52:26,399
keep no in my case keep keep contacting

4685
02:52:31,830 --> 02:52:29,279
uh and request when you when you it's

4686
02:52:34,389 --> 02:52:31,840
better to call your elected official

4687
02:52:36,630 --> 02:52:34,399
um your representatives

4688
02:52:38,790 --> 02:52:36,640
i could just tell you that when all of

4689
02:52:39,910 --> 02:52:38,800
this first started uh months and months

4690
02:52:40,710 --> 02:52:39,920
ago

4691
02:52:52,389 --> 02:52:40,720
i

4692
02:52:54,870 --> 02:52:52,399
senators

4693
02:52:57,349 --> 02:52:54,880
and um

4694
02:52:59,670 --> 02:52:57,359
to cut to the chase

4695
02:53:01,190 --> 02:52:59,680
i got back form letters

4696
02:53:03,429 --> 02:53:01,200
and i was

4697
02:53:05,190 --> 02:53:03,439
beyond pissed off

4698
02:53:07,269 --> 02:53:05,200
i i didn't call

4699
02:53:09,269 --> 02:53:07,279
so i never got a human

4700
02:53:10,950 --> 02:53:09,279
but i got a form letter and i was

4701
02:53:12,150 --> 02:53:10,960
wanting to know

4702
02:53:15,190 --> 02:53:12,160
their

4703
02:53:17,190 --> 02:53:15,200
interest in and involvement with

4704
02:53:20,309 --> 02:53:17,200
the

4705
02:53:21,110 --> 02:53:20,319
year

4706
02:53:27,910 --> 02:53:21,120
um

4707
02:53:29,190 --> 02:53:27,920
rubio gilbran thing and uh and and on

4708
02:53:32,469 --> 02:53:29,200
this one i haven't even tried because

4709
02:53:35,429 --> 02:53:32,479
i've been so busy with a di diy project

4710
02:53:38,070 --> 02:53:35,439
at the house i just sort of

4711
02:53:39,510 --> 02:53:38,080
i was a slacker so i didn't contact them

4712
02:53:42,070 --> 02:53:39,520
i will not ever

4713
02:53:42,950 --> 02:53:42,080
go take that form that tells you

4714
02:53:44,309 --> 02:53:42,960
you know

4715
02:53:45,750 --> 02:53:44,319
the government over the years has done a

4716
02:53:48,469 --> 02:53:45,760
great job of making their

4717
02:53:50,550 --> 02:53:48,479
representatives available to us by email

4718
02:53:52,469 --> 02:53:50,560
but it's complete

4719
02:53:54,950 --> 02:53:52,479
when they come back and instead of

4720
02:53:56,550 --> 02:53:54,960
answering any question acknowledging the

4721
02:53:58,950 --> 02:53:56,560
topic

4722
02:54:01,190 --> 02:53:58,960
they tell me about uh they went on a

4723
02:54:03,349 --> 02:54:01,200
trip to indonesia you know it's a

4724
02:54:05,429 --> 02:54:03,359
newsletter it's what and i started

4725
02:54:06,550 --> 02:54:05,439
getting them like every

4726
02:54:08,790 --> 02:54:06,560
week

4727
02:54:10,790 --> 02:54:08,800
and i had to unsubscribe i was

4728
02:54:12,469 --> 02:54:10,800
super

4729
02:54:14,550 --> 02:54:12,479
delusioned

4730
02:54:16,710 --> 02:54:14,560
on the front end and pissed on the back

4731
02:54:18,469 --> 02:54:16,720
end that i let myself be

4732
02:54:20,389 --> 02:54:18,479
sort of uh

4733
02:54:22,630 --> 02:54:20,399
convinced that that was gonna

4734
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:22,640
that oh i was gonna get through

4735
02:54:27,349 --> 02:54:25,200
now all right i'm gonna cut you off

4736
02:54:28,389 --> 02:54:27,359
get some more okay if there is if if

4737
02:54:32,070 --> 02:54:28,399
this is

4738
02:54:34,710 --> 02:54:32,080
of further public hearings even with

4739
02:54:38,070 --> 02:54:34,720
amnesty

4740
02:54:39,750 --> 02:54:38,080
uh i i i think that you know like any of

4741
02:54:40,630 --> 02:54:39,760
the major hearings we've had on capitol

4742
02:54:45,190 --> 02:54:40,640
hill

4743
02:54:47,670 --> 02:54:45,200
over the decades where they involved uh

4744
02:54:49,429 --> 02:54:47,680
intelligence or defense

4745
02:54:50,870 --> 02:54:49,439
there are things that can that they can

4746
02:54:52,550 --> 02:54:50,880
talk about in public but then you will

4747
02:54:53,269 --> 02:54:52,560
hear them say

4748
02:54:54,389 --> 02:54:53,279
uh

4749
02:54:56,309 --> 02:54:54,399
senator

4750
02:54:58,070 --> 02:54:56,319
uh i will

4751
02:54:59,349 --> 02:54:58,080
defer that question

4752
02:55:01,750 --> 02:54:59,359
for later

4753
02:55:03,750 --> 02:55:01,760
behind closed doors right

4754
02:55:05,830 --> 02:55:03,760
so there are things that

4755
02:55:08,070 --> 02:55:05,840
that hopefully will be

4756
02:55:10,309 --> 02:55:08,080
fulfilling to all of us that will be

4757
02:55:12,309 --> 02:55:10,319
able to come out in public

4758
02:55:14,870 --> 02:55:12,319
but um

4759
02:55:17,429 --> 02:55:14,880
if if everything is as alleged

4760
02:55:18,950 --> 02:55:17,439
or if even 50 percent of what's alleged

4761
02:55:20,790 --> 02:55:18,960
is is real

4762
02:55:23,510 --> 02:55:20,800
uh that's going to have to be by

4763
02:55:25,750 --> 02:55:23,520
necessity dealt with behind

4764
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:25,760
in a non-public way

4765
02:55:28,710 --> 02:55:27,359
here's another one if there is anything

4766
02:55:30,469 --> 02:55:28,720
that is there anything the senate did

4767
02:55:36,710 --> 02:55:30,479
not put in here that you would have

4768
02:55:40,790 --> 02:55:38,309
no uh

4769
02:55:43,349 --> 02:55:40,800
i i think it's

4770
02:55:45,830 --> 02:55:43,359
i think it's really really well written

4771
02:55:48,230 --> 02:55:45,840
uh it just smacks of

4772
02:55:49,990 --> 02:55:48,240
chris mellon of course but um and he's

4773
02:55:52,469 --> 02:55:50,000
just a very intelligent and thorough

4774
02:55:58,710 --> 02:55:53,990
the

4775
02:56:00,630 --> 02:55:58,720
prominent everybody knows what it means

4776
02:56:03,190 --> 02:56:00,640
so i'll just use that

4777
02:56:05,269 --> 02:56:03,200
when it comes down to it

4778
02:56:07,830 --> 02:56:05,279
it's going to come down to funding

4779
02:56:09,750 --> 02:56:07,840
and competing priorities

4780
02:56:13,110 --> 02:56:09,760
on any given day

4781
02:56:15,510 --> 02:56:13,120
okay it's going to depend on the um the

4782
02:56:17,830 --> 02:56:15,520
personalities running these agencies

4783
02:56:19,750 --> 02:56:17,840
i mean the law be damned you can't get

4784
02:56:22,630 --> 02:56:19,760
rid of the human factor

4785
02:56:23,910 --> 02:56:22,640
that that is used to staff these these

4786
02:56:26,469 --> 02:56:23,920
offices

4787
02:56:28,870 --> 02:56:26,479
and uh you got personalities but let's

4788
02:56:31,110 --> 02:56:28,880
say that everybody is gonna roger up and

4789
02:56:32,710 --> 02:56:31,120
and salute and they're gonna

4790
02:56:34,710 --> 02:56:32,720
try to uh

4791
02:56:36,710 --> 02:56:34,720
to meet the letter of the law

4792
02:56:38,389 --> 02:56:36,720
well then there's still gonna be

4793
02:56:40,630 --> 02:56:38,399
hundreds of millions of dollars of

4794
02:56:41,990 --> 02:56:40,640
competing intelligence money

4795
02:56:43,110 --> 02:56:42,000
um

4796
02:56:45,269 --> 02:56:43,120
that

4797
02:56:47,830 --> 02:56:45,279
will affect

4798
02:56:49,110 --> 02:56:47,840
how the speed at which this is

4799
02:56:51,269 --> 02:56:49,120
um

4800
02:56:53,110 --> 02:56:51,279
realized

4801
02:56:56,150 --> 02:56:53,120
because other things can't drop off the

4802
02:56:58,950 --> 02:56:56,160
plate just because this comes up

4803
02:57:00,950 --> 02:56:58,960
so the realities the harsh realities

4804
02:57:03,030 --> 02:57:00,960
just like after last year's

4805
02:57:05,670 --> 02:57:03,040
intelligence authorization act and last

4806
02:57:07,030 --> 02:57:05,680
year's ndaa how many months they're

4807
02:57:08,469 --> 02:57:07,040
going to spend

4808
02:57:11,510 --> 02:57:08,479
well

4809
02:57:13,670 --> 02:57:11,520
i think it's going to go into

4810
02:57:15,190 --> 02:57:13,680
at least the end of the year you know

4811
02:57:16,550 --> 02:57:15,200
you start hearing in the news if you pay

4812
02:57:19,510 --> 02:57:16,560
attention to it you start hearing them

4813
02:57:23,030 --> 02:57:19,520
talk about the appropriations committees

4814
02:57:24,710 --> 02:57:23,040
are now meeting on

4815
02:57:25,910 --> 02:57:24,720
this or that bill

4816
02:57:27,670 --> 02:57:25,920
that's where

4817
02:57:29,830 --> 02:57:27,680
the interested parties

4818
02:57:31,190 --> 02:57:29,840
you know it whatever it is

4819
02:57:35,990 --> 02:57:31,200
they have their

4820
02:57:37,670 --> 02:57:36,000
their staff members they get in there

4821
02:57:39,349 --> 02:57:37,680
and they haggle

4822
02:57:41,429 --> 02:57:39,359
over funding

4823
02:57:43,429 --> 02:57:41,439
they come to agreements this is how pork

4824
02:57:44,630 --> 02:57:43,439
gets added in

4825
02:57:47,590 --> 02:57:44,640
right

4826
02:57:50,389 --> 02:57:47,600
things will get shifted

4827
02:57:53,590 --> 02:57:50,399
so appropriations is going to be

4828
02:57:55,590 --> 02:57:53,600
uh the the battle on the hill

4829
02:57:57,750 --> 02:57:55,600
for how where the money gets divided up

4830
02:57:59,750 --> 02:57:57,760
and how it gets delved out but we did

4831
02:58:03,349 --> 02:57:59,760
see it in the law here that says shall

4832
02:58:05,030 --> 02:58:03,359
take whatever some as you know required

4833
02:58:07,269 --> 02:58:05,040
to make this happen

4834
02:58:09,030 --> 02:58:07,279
right well what is that sum

4835
02:58:11,670 --> 02:58:09,040
so is it going to become

4836
02:58:13,670 --> 02:58:11,680
uh it will become uh i would imagine a

4837
02:58:16,389 --> 02:58:13,680
line item in the uh

4838
02:58:17,830 --> 02:58:16,399
in the nrp

4839
02:58:19,429 --> 02:58:17,840
to some extent in the national

4840
02:58:21,030 --> 02:58:19,439
reconnaissance program

4841
02:58:22,950 --> 02:58:21,040
but i i don't know i don't want to get

4842
02:58:24,790 --> 02:58:22,960
into anything else because you start

4843
02:58:26,550 --> 02:58:24,800
talking about

4844
02:58:28,389 --> 02:58:26,560
these different committees that rack and

4845
02:58:31,110 --> 02:58:28,399
stack these

4846
02:58:32,630 --> 02:58:31,120
the needs versus the systems that answer

4847
02:58:34,469 --> 02:58:32,640
the mail for those needs

4848
02:58:35,910 --> 02:58:34,479
and it gets pretty technical

4849
02:58:37,750 --> 02:58:35,920
julie says the people in the government

4850
02:58:39,750 --> 02:58:37,760
will be slightly more free to disclose

4851
02:58:41,670 --> 02:58:39,760
within government uh controls with the

4852
02:58:44,230 --> 02:58:41,680
public nada which

4853
02:58:45,750 --> 02:58:44,240
yeah for now um but there will be

4854
02:58:47,190 --> 02:58:45,760
pressure on congress i i don't know

4855
02:58:49,269 --> 02:58:47,200
we'll see what leaks we talked about

4856
02:58:51,510 --> 02:58:49,279
that maybe some of this will leak

4857
02:58:52,950 --> 02:58:51,520
um you never know nothing leaked from

4858
02:58:54,710 --> 02:58:52,960
last year when rubio said oh you know

4859
02:58:56,550 --> 02:58:54,720
how washington is it's like a it looks

4860
02:58:59,349 --> 02:58:56,560
like a sieve nothing leaked though from

4861
02:59:01,429 --> 02:58:59,359
the classified briefings um question i

4862
02:59:02,950 --> 02:59:01,439
would hope public hearings with the big

4863
02:59:04,469 --> 02:59:02,960
stuff happen at a time when they have a

4864
02:59:05,910 --> 02:59:04,479
good grip on what will be shared and

4865
02:59:08,710 --> 02:59:05,920
what exactly we know in my opinion

4866
02:59:10,550 --> 02:59:08,720
irresponsible to do otherwise

4867
02:59:13,510 --> 02:59:10,560
um let me get the question somebody

4868
02:59:17,990 --> 02:59:13,520
brought up the 1947 january 1st was a

4869
02:59:19,030 --> 02:59:18,000
date the atomic a aec was set up

4870
02:59:20,469 --> 02:59:19,040
um

4871
02:59:22,950 --> 02:59:20,479
thank you

4872
02:59:26,630 --> 02:59:22,960
from a wolf i'm trying to see any other

4873
02:59:26,640 --> 02:59:30,550
not really a question but

4874
02:59:33,750 --> 02:59:32,309
you see obviously for run of d.o.a was

4875
02:59:35,110 --> 02:59:33,760
probably involved since manhattan and

4876
02:59:36,790 --> 02:59:35,120
any other ua

4877
02:59:38,870 --> 02:59:36,800
activity then and took over roswell

4878
02:59:42,150 --> 02:59:38,880
reverse engineering

4879
02:59:43,510 --> 02:59:42,160
um see that that's a good point there uh

4880
02:59:45,190 --> 02:59:43,520
you know you know i've talked about this

4881
02:59:47,190 --> 02:59:45,200
before about

4882
02:59:48,710 --> 02:59:47,200
doing a foia request

4883
02:59:50,389 --> 02:59:48,720
to do

4884
02:59:51,910 --> 02:59:50,399
or nrc

4885
02:59:52,950 --> 02:59:51,920
but that's not what these things were

4886
02:59:55,190 --> 02:59:52,960
called

4887
02:59:57,030 --> 02:59:55,200
back in the day so i don't imagine that

4888
02:59:58,550 --> 02:59:57,040
that would matter so much that a foia

4889
02:59:59,590 --> 02:59:58,560
request would go in

4890
03:00:01,349 --> 02:59:59,600
and be

4891
03:00:02,710 --> 03:00:01,359
sort of mis-targeted because you're

4892
03:00:04,950 --> 03:00:02,720
asking for information from the

4893
03:00:07,349 --> 03:00:04,960
currently named organization

4894
03:00:08,790 --> 03:00:07,359
when really you're wanting to know

4895
03:00:11,269 --> 03:00:08,800
um

4896
03:00:12,630 --> 03:00:11,279
the aec you know the atomic energy

4897
03:00:14,710 --> 03:00:12,640
commission

4898
03:00:16,630 --> 03:00:14,720
it'd be pretty snarky of them to to tell

4899
03:00:18,389 --> 03:00:16,640
you that there are no records found

4900
03:00:19,429 --> 03:00:18,399
pursuant to your request just because

4901
03:00:21,349 --> 03:00:19,439
you

4902
03:00:24,469 --> 03:00:21,359
didn't call out the name of the agency

4903
03:00:26,070 --> 03:00:24,479
as it was called back in the 40s or 50s

4904
03:00:28,630 --> 03:00:26,080
because there still should be they

4905
03:00:30,469 --> 03:00:28,640
should still have cognizance over that

4906
03:00:33,110 --> 03:00:30,479
as they've evolved into a new

4907
03:00:34,710 --> 03:00:33,120
organization new agency over the years

4908
03:00:36,150 --> 03:00:34,720
um

4909
03:00:37,990 --> 03:00:36,160
but i'm sure stranger things have

4910
03:00:38,870 --> 03:00:38,000
happened right if they're trying to hide

4911
03:00:41,990 --> 03:00:38,880
it

4912
03:00:42,000 --> 03:00:45,110
you know that's um

4913
03:00:48,389 --> 03:00:46,870
we're almost there michael uh will this

4914
03:00:50,070 --> 03:00:48,399
prompt a change of approach now from the

4915
03:00:55,510 --> 03:00:50,080
dod as the game is up and they don't

4916
03:01:00,309 --> 03:00:58,790
oh i i don't know um

4917
03:01:01,990 --> 03:01:00,319
it's uh

4918
03:01:03,990 --> 03:01:02,000
you know when we started off talking

4919
03:01:07,110 --> 03:01:04,000
about this today

4920
03:01:08,710 --> 03:01:07,120
i i sort of mentioned how

4921
03:01:11,030 --> 03:01:08,720
we're talking about language that's in

4922
03:01:12,870 --> 03:01:11,040
the intelligence authorization act and

4923
03:01:15,510 --> 03:01:12,880
kind of how that works with the

4924
03:01:18,830 --> 03:01:15,520
uh the national defense authorization

4925
03:01:21,590 --> 03:01:18,840
act one is for the department of defense

4926
03:01:23,910 --> 03:01:21,600
um the other is for the intelligence

4927
03:01:26,389 --> 03:01:23,920
community in related activities

4928
03:01:29,830 --> 03:01:26,399
are they separate and discreet they are

4929
03:01:31,750 --> 03:01:29,840
do does one support the other yes

4930
03:01:33,590 --> 03:01:31,760
the intelligence community

4931
03:01:36,070 --> 03:01:33,600
supports our decision makers in

4932
03:01:39,110 --> 03:01:36,080
government and our war fighters and

4933
03:01:41,510 --> 03:01:39,120
combatant commanders

4934
03:01:42,550 --> 03:01:41,520
as far as something like this topic and

4935
03:01:45,510 --> 03:01:42,560
who

4936
03:01:49,670 --> 03:01:47,429
if that's what's implied here

4937
03:01:52,630 --> 03:01:49,680
um

4938
03:01:55,910 --> 03:01:52,640
i i don't i don't know how it affects it

4939
03:01:58,309 --> 03:01:55,920
or whether it prompts a change i i i the

4940
03:02:04,230 --> 03:01:58,319
at the bottom

4941
03:02:06,309 --> 03:02:04,240
if as alleged there is material and

4942
03:02:08,070 --> 03:02:06,319
there were bodies and there is research

4943
03:02:10,389 --> 03:02:08,080
ongoing and there is there have been

4944
03:02:13,110 --> 03:02:10,399
gains from it we've learned from it

4945
03:02:17,590 --> 03:02:13,120
we've built our own systems from it

4946
03:02:19,830 --> 03:02:17,600
um based on observation and study

4947
03:02:21,830 --> 03:02:19,840
that is all still

4948
03:02:23,590 --> 03:02:21,840
classified fact

4949
03:02:25,349 --> 03:02:23,600
by necessity

4950
03:02:27,750 --> 03:02:25,359
because

4951
03:02:29,990 --> 03:02:27,760
if you whether you think it's uh

4952
03:02:32,309 --> 03:02:30,000
cgi and i don't like i think people

4953
03:02:35,190 --> 03:02:32,319
throw that around a little flippantly

4954
03:02:37,670 --> 03:02:35,200
a little too loosely but regard some

4955
03:02:41,830 --> 03:02:37,680
videos just speak to you and you go well

4956
03:02:47,190 --> 03:02:44,389
so if you just sort of back up from the

4957
03:02:48,309 --> 03:02:47,200
watching a video or seeing a picture

4958
03:02:50,550 --> 03:02:48,319
view

4959
03:02:52,550 --> 03:02:50,560
and you step up at the 10 000 foot

4960
03:02:54,309 --> 03:02:52,560
altitude level

4961
03:02:57,110 --> 03:02:54,319
and you look down

4962
03:02:59,030 --> 03:02:57,120
and in everybody's minds works it works

4963
03:03:02,469 --> 03:02:59,040
a little bit differently for people

4964
03:03:04,150 --> 03:03:02,479
uh like i view a calendar in my mind as

4965
03:03:05,750 --> 03:03:04,160
sort of an arch

4966
03:03:07,349 --> 03:03:05,760
january's here

4967
03:03:09,269 --> 03:03:07,359
and it's i don't know why this is but

4968
03:03:12,790 --> 03:03:09,279
this is how i picture i don't picture it

4969
03:03:15,510 --> 03:03:12,800
as a grid like in on a mac or a windows

4970
03:03:16,790 --> 03:03:15,520
computer um i see it as an arch

4971
03:03:18,790 --> 03:03:16,800
okay

4972
03:03:20,389 --> 03:03:18,800
and uh january is over here june and

4973
03:03:21,750 --> 03:03:20,399
july here

4974
03:03:23,910 --> 03:03:21,760
december's over here maybe it was a

4975
03:03:25,910 --> 03:03:23,920
graphic that i saw you know an example a

4976
03:03:27,110 --> 03:03:25,920
calendar type of calendar when i was a

4977
03:03:29,670 --> 03:03:27,120
kid

4978
03:03:31,990 --> 03:03:29,680
but if you if you step away and look at

4979
03:03:34,550 --> 03:03:32,000
look down at the decades

4980
03:03:36,870 --> 03:03:34,560
from from the present moment in time

4981
03:03:38,230 --> 03:03:36,880
and you had a god's eye or eagle-eyed

4982
03:03:40,469 --> 03:03:38,240
view of everything that's occurred or

4983
03:03:42,309 --> 03:03:40,479
everything that you've read about

4984
03:03:43,990 --> 03:03:42,319
including the including stuff

4985
03:03:45,349 --> 03:03:44,000
that was supposedly bona fide and

4986
03:03:47,110 --> 03:03:45,359
verified

4987
03:03:50,710 --> 03:03:47,120
by reputable people and you go all the

4988
03:03:52,790 --> 03:03:50,720
way back to the to say 1947.

4989
03:03:54,550 --> 03:03:52,800
i go back further than that to world war

4990
03:03:56,230 --> 03:03:54,560
ii and the ghost rockets and the foo

4991
03:03:58,150 --> 03:03:56,240
fighters and all this weird stuff that

4992
03:03:59,990 --> 03:03:58,160
happened then go back to those religious

4993
03:04:02,070 --> 03:04:00,000
paintings and cave paintings and

4994
03:04:05,030 --> 03:04:02,080
indigenous peoples stories

4995
03:04:07,190 --> 03:04:05,040
over the over the the eons

4996
03:04:10,070 --> 03:04:07,200
that whole body the total body of

4997
03:04:11,910 --> 03:04:10,080
evidence says that something

4998
03:04:13,670 --> 03:04:11,920
isn't as it seems

4999
03:04:16,790 --> 03:04:13,680
something's going on

5000
03:04:19,429 --> 03:04:16,800
and i find it pretty far-fetched

5001
03:04:22,070 --> 03:04:19,439
uh and i get a little insulted

5002
03:04:24,230 --> 03:04:22,080
when i'm told by my government that

5003
03:04:25,830 --> 03:04:24,240
there's nothing to see here

5004
03:04:28,150 --> 03:04:25,840
that we don't we don't think anything's

5005
03:04:29,349 --> 03:04:28,160
going on and we're not looking into it i

5006
03:04:31,590 --> 03:04:29,359
think that's complete and utter

5007
03:04:33,910 --> 03:04:31,600
horseshit pardon my french

5008
03:04:35,670 --> 03:04:33,920
how could they not be interested

5009
03:04:37,349 --> 03:04:35,680
how could they not you see something

5010
03:04:39,269 --> 03:04:37,359
that's hovering over the city and all of

5011
03:04:42,070 --> 03:04:39,279
a sudden it zips off

5012
03:04:42,870 --> 03:04:42,080
from day one i'm calling my air force

5013
03:04:45,030 --> 03:04:42,880
rep

5014
03:04:46,870 --> 03:04:45,040
you know back in the 40s and

5015
03:04:48,830 --> 03:04:46,880
and i'm getting my top scientists on

5016
03:04:52,070 --> 03:04:48,840
this

5017
03:04:54,870 --> 03:04:52,080
um just like in the merry-go-round event

5018
03:04:57,429 --> 03:04:54,880
in uh 1952 when they circled for two

5019
03:04:59,510 --> 03:04:57,439
weekends over washington dc that that

5020
03:05:05,110 --> 03:04:59,520
really happened

5021
03:05:06,870 --> 03:05:05,120
both literally and metaphorically woke

5022
03:05:08,550 --> 03:05:06,880
up truman

5023
03:05:10,070 --> 03:05:08,560
and the c.i.a

5024
03:05:12,790 --> 03:05:10,080
and the pentagon

5025
03:05:14,230 --> 03:05:12,800
and truman wanted answers

5026
03:05:15,269 --> 03:05:14,240
and that's another story for another

5027
03:05:17,670 --> 03:05:15,279
time

5028
03:05:19,670 --> 03:05:17,680
but when you read all that

5029
03:05:22,550 --> 03:05:19,680
you know this isn't um

5030
03:05:24,309 --> 03:05:22,560
this isn't make believe

5031
03:05:26,309 --> 03:05:24,319
something overflew the capital two

5032
03:05:30,830 --> 03:05:26,319
straight weekends in a row jets were

5033
03:05:36,150 --> 03:05:34,309
um so what's going on

5034
03:05:37,670 --> 03:05:36,160
and maybe they're about to find out

5035
03:05:39,030 --> 03:05:37,680
we're about to find out hopefully before

5036
03:05:41,269 --> 03:05:39,040
i die um

5037
03:05:42,550 --> 03:05:41,279
last one jonathan has asked us a couple

5038
03:05:45,269 --> 03:05:42,560
of times

5039
03:05:47,830 --> 03:05:45,279
why no mention of norad in the language

5040
03:05:49,750 --> 03:05:47,840
any idea

5041
03:05:53,429 --> 03:05:49,760
well i don't think it has to be

5042
03:05:56,469 --> 03:05:53,439
mentioned really because those agencies

5043
03:06:01,590 --> 03:06:00,230
norad has an integral role to play in in

5044
03:06:04,309 --> 03:06:01,600
the air

5045
03:06:05,910 --> 03:06:04,319
aerospace defense of our nation

5046
03:06:10,469 --> 03:06:05,920
um

5047
03:06:13,349 --> 03:06:11,670
right i mean if you're going to list

5048
03:06:14,389 --> 03:06:13,359
norad you're going to have to list def

5049
03:06:15,910 --> 03:06:14,399
smack and

5050
03:06:18,469 --> 03:06:15,920
all these other

5051
03:06:21,110 --> 03:06:18,479
four and five letter acronyms for all

5052
03:06:23,110 --> 03:06:21,120
these organizations that are out there

5053
03:06:24,710 --> 03:06:23,120
space and missile command

5054
03:06:27,030 --> 03:06:24,720
um

5055
03:06:29,269 --> 03:06:27,040
defense missiles and space analysis

5056
03:06:30,550 --> 03:06:29,279
center at nsa

5057
03:06:32,469 --> 03:06:30,560
uh

5058
03:06:34,150 --> 03:06:32,479
you just have the defense warning office

5059
03:06:37,030 --> 03:06:34,160
at dia you're just going to have to just

5060
03:06:41,429 --> 03:06:38,950
the best way to get in touch with or to

5061
03:06:43,429 --> 03:06:41,439
involve those folks is to just involve

5062
03:06:45,429 --> 03:06:43,439
all of the branches

5063
03:06:48,870 --> 03:06:45,439
all of the agencies

5064
03:06:52,469 --> 03:06:48,880
in the ic and the dod so

5065
03:06:55,590 --> 03:06:53,830
and with that

5066
03:06:57,190 --> 03:06:55,600
it's dinner time for both of us i

5067
03:06:58,550 --> 03:06:57,200
appreciate you taking all this time i

5068
03:07:01,030 --> 03:06:58,560
mean i didn't think we would you know

5069
03:07:03,190 --> 03:07:01,040
three hours um it's been great

5070
03:07:04,870 --> 03:07:03,200
we'll be doing it again um

5071
03:07:06,469 --> 03:07:04,880
michael and i will be doing something

5072
03:07:08,389 --> 03:07:06,479
that he wrote up on

5073
03:07:10,790 --> 03:07:08,399
paul hill's book unconventional flying

5074
03:07:12,070 --> 03:07:10,800
objects and i think it's really one of

5075
03:07:14,150 --> 03:07:12,080
the most important books written about

5076
03:07:15,670 --> 03:07:14,160
ufos and michael knows a lot about it so

5077
03:07:17,269 --> 03:07:15,680
that'll be coming up soon hopefully next

5078
03:07:19,750 --> 03:07:17,279
week or the week after

5079
03:07:22,389 --> 03:07:19,760
so thank you michael for taking all this

5080
03:07:24,389 --> 03:07:22,399
thank you yeah it was it was fun

5081
03:07:26,950 --> 03:07:24,399
pleasure i might be coming your way in

5082
03:07:28,950 --> 03:07:26,960
the fall so

5083
03:07:31,030 --> 03:07:28,960
make a room for me

5084
03:07:32,469 --> 03:07:31,040
you're welcome here anytime joe yeah i'm

5085
03:07:34,630 --> 03:07:32,479
looking forward to all right enjoy your

5086
03:07:36,389 --> 03:07:34,640
dinner thanks again we'll see you take

5087
03:07:37,510 --> 03:07:36,399
care

5088
03:07:40,790 --> 03:07:37,520
yeah

5089
03:07:42,309 --> 03:07:40,800
it was great of him to do that um

5090
03:07:44,710 --> 03:07:42,319
he has so much information on the

5091
03:07:47,269 --> 03:07:44,720
subject i cannot tell you he knows so

5092
03:07:48,950 --> 03:07:47,279
much it's like between the history and

5093
03:07:51,429 --> 03:07:48,960
then obviously a lot of this is opinion

5094
03:07:53,429 --> 03:07:51,439
and speculation and back as far as aim

5095
03:07:55,510 --> 03:07:53,439
song i'll i'll find out about that i was

5096
03:07:57,750 --> 03:07:55,520
under the impression that their aims is

5097
03:07:59,349 --> 03:07:57,760
being disbanded and it's kind of like

5098
03:08:00,710 --> 03:07:59,359
starting from scratch

5099
03:08:03,750 --> 03:08:00,720
and i hope that's the case but it's

5100
03:08:05,750 --> 03:08:03,760
still a problem with the ou sdi

5101
03:08:08,870 --> 03:08:05,760
um office which has been a problem

5102
03:08:11,429 --> 03:08:08,880
according to lou um but we'll see it's a

5103
03:08:13,830 --> 03:08:11,439
first step like like we said i never

5104
03:08:15,990 --> 03:08:13,840
thought we'd even be talking about this

5105
03:08:17,910 --> 03:08:16,000
at this point in time lou says come back

5106
03:08:19,429 --> 03:08:17,920
five years for bodies and craft i hope

5107
03:08:21,030 --> 03:08:19,439
it's not five years i mean with this

5108
03:08:23,110 --> 03:08:21,040
language but it could be and then

5109
03:08:26,790 --> 03:08:23,120
somebody said

5110
03:08:28,389 --> 03:08:26,800
don't know if it was

5111
03:08:30,150 --> 03:08:28,399
you jonathan but somebody said lou was

5112
03:08:32,830 --> 03:08:30,160
gonna talk about oh no no no no it's

5113
03:08:34,870 --> 03:08:32,840
project unity tweeted something about

5114
03:08:36,550 --> 03:08:34,880
how um

5115
03:08:37,910 --> 03:08:36,560
john ramirez said that lou was going to

5116
03:08:40,870 --> 03:08:37,920
talk about he's here to talk about how

5117
03:08:42,469 --> 03:08:40,880
we're a hybrid species i'm like yeah all

5118
03:08:44,469 --> 03:08:42,479
right let's say i'm open to all

5119
03:08:47,349 --> 03:08:44,479
possibilities let's say that we're a

5120
03:08:49,110 --> 03:08:47,359
hybrid species between us and them

5121
03:08:50,870 --> 03:08:49,120
that information is not coming out

5122
03:08:52,150 --> 03:08:50,880
anytime soon we can't even talk about we

5123
03:08:54,309 --> 03:08:52,160
haven't even gotten information about

5124
03:08:55,590 --> 03:08:54,319
craft and alleged bodies

5125
03:08:57,349 --> 03:08:55,600
and lou can't even talk about the

5126
03:08:59,429 --> 03:08:57,359
23-minute video

5127
03:09:01,269 --> 03:08:59,439
people think talking about us being a

5128
03:09:03,830 --> 03:09:01,279
hybrid race is around the corner i mean

5129
03:09:06,309 --> 03:09:03,840
come on bodies and crafts five years

5130
03:09:08,950 --> 03:09:06,319
hybrid race 25 years and i'm being

5131
03:09:11,590 --> 03:09:08,960
sarcastic there but anyway

5132
03:09:13,830 --> 03:09:11,600
yeah it is exciting times uh this was

5133
03:09:16,550 --> 03:09:13,840
definitely one of my favorite shows

5134
03:09:18,309 --> 03:09:16,560
this one lou and nap and kelleher

5135
03:09:20,950 --> 03:09:18,319
and mike i don't know if he's on

5136
03:09:22,550 --> 03:09:20,960
facebook i don't know i do not connect

5137
03:09:23,830 --> 03:09:22,560
with him on facebook i'm rarely on

5138
03:09:26,870 --> 03:09:23,840
facebook

5139
03:09:30,389 --> 03:09:28,870
yeah i don't know if that's an insult

5140
03:09:32,469 --> 03:09:30,399
all the australian people i know have

5141
03:09:34,870 --> 03:09:32,479
been

5142
03:09:36,870 --> 03:09:34,880
wonderful along with canadians

5143
03:09:39,429 --> 03:09:36,880
um

5144
03:09:41,830 --> 03:09:39,439
this is a hit on aim sock joe chris and

5145
03:09:43,670 --> 03:09:41,840
lou don't do half measures yeah i

5146
03:09:45,269 --> 03:09:43,680
i think it is a hit on aimsog and i

5147
03:09:47,750 --> 03:09:45,279
think congressional

5148
03:09:50,469 --> 03:09:47,760
folks are listening i would like to hear

5149
03:09:52,150 --> 03:09:50,479
from where the heck is um

5150
03:09:54,630 --> 03:09:52,160
gillibrand on this nothing there's

5151
03:09:57,429 --> 03:09:54,640
nothing publicly so hopefully the media

5152
03:09:59,349 --> 03:09:57,439
does their job oh

5153
03:10:00,630 --> 03:09:59,359
it's mick from australia who said that i

5154
03:10:02,150 --> 03:10:00,640
didn't even see who said that i'm like

5155
03:10:03,830 --> 03:10:02,160
who is saying that they're insulting

5156
03:10:06,389 --> 03:10:03,840
australians and i'm not even realizing

5157
03:10:08,950 --> 03:10:06,399
it i think uh new england new zealand

5158
03:10:10,469 --> 03:10:08,960
and australia has that rivalry

5159
03:10:11,349 --> 03:10:10,479
um

5160
03:10:13,990 --> 03:10:11,359
yeah

5161
03:10:14,950 --> 03:10:14,000
i don't know why project unity gave

5162
03:10:16,710 --> 03:10:14,960
too much

5163
03:10:19,030 --> 03:10:16,720
i don't know tweeted it out about john

5164
03:10:20,309 --> 03:10:19,040
ramirez but we're not hearing about any

5165
03:10:29,190 --> 03:10:20,319
hybrid

5166
03:10:32,950 --> 03:10:31,349
anyway all right i'm gonna eat now so

5167
03:10:35,110 --> 03:10:32,960
thanks for all the questions hopefully i

5168
03:10:36,630 --> 03:10:35,120
didn't i know i missed stuff in the text

5169
03:10:37,830 --> 03:10:36,640
but i was trying to pay attention to him

5170
03:10:39,190 --> 03:10:37,840
and trying to pay attention to the

5171
03:10:40,790 --> 03:10:39,200
language which he did a good job and i

5172
03:10:43,510 --> 03:10:40,800
know some of it's getting too far into

5173
03:10:45,750 --> 03:10:43,520
the weeds but

5174
03:10:47,510 --> 03:10:45,760
it was uh i think it's important and i'm

5175
03:10:50,070 --> 03:10:47,520
glad we did it so i will talk to you